Bug 5122 - need a better place for news postings than website front page
Summary: need a better place for news postings than website front page
Status: RESOLVED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Spamassassin
Classification: Unclassified
Component: Documentation (show other bugs)
Version: SVN Trunk (Latest Devel Version)
Hardware: Other other
: P5 minor
Target Milestone: 3.2.0
Assignee: SpamAssassin Developer Mailing List
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Reported: 2006-10-10 05:36 UTC by Justin Mason
Modified: 2007-08-15 02:37 UTC (History)
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Description Justin Mason 2006-10-10 05:36:00 UTC
Currently, http://spamassassin.apache.org/ is dominated by this text:

'News and Announcements

    2006-10-05: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 released!
    Visit the downloads page to get the latest version. (The release announcement)

    2006-08-30: SpamAssassin 3.1.5 released!
    Visit the downloads page to get the latest version. (The release announcement)

    2006-07-26: SpamAssassin 3.1.4 released!
    Visit the downloads page to get the latest version. (The release announcement)

    2006-06-06: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 released! This is an important security
release to fix CVE 2006-2447; read the advisory to see if you need to upgrade.
    (The release announcement)

    2006-06-05: SpamAssassin 3.0.6 released! This is an important security
release to fix CVE 2006-2447; read the advisory to see if you need to upgrade.
    Visit the downloads page to get the latest version. (The release announcement)

    2006-05-25: SpamAssassin 3.1.2 released!
    (The release announcement)

    2006-03-11: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 released!
    (The release announcement)

    2006-02-21: Receiving three times as many votes as the closest contender,
SpamAssassin took top honors in the Anti-Spam category of Datamation's Product
of the Year 2006.

    2005-09-14: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 released!
    (The release announcement)

    2005-02-09: Receiving twice as many votes as the closest contender,
SpamAssassin took top honors in the Anti-Spam category of Datamation's Product
of the Year 2005.'



That's the entire viewable area on my monitor, taken up by news, instead of an
intro to the product (which appears once you scroll down).

1. I think it would be better if we moved the "news" section to its own page,
and maybe had links to the most recent N items included on the front page.  I
don't think the front page should be so dominated by those repetitive "X
released!" items.

2. as a fix, I suggest we set up an "official Apache SpamAssassin project
weblog", dedicated to important announcements like these.  it should be pretty
easy, there's lots of good weblog hosts nowadays that'll do a decent job for
free. If we use a blog, it's pretty trivial to incorporate the latest items from
the RSS feed into the main site's front page...
Comment 1 Loren Wilton 2006-10-10 06:08:43 UTC
Suggestion: keep the latest release announcement line at the top of the front 
page.  Have a link from there to the full announcement (and a link to the 
download itself.)

Have a second line below this labeled something like "previous releases" going 
off to a page that has all these cumulative announcements.
Comment 2 Justin Mason 2007-01-22 12:18:19 UTC
let's do this before 3.2.0 release...

I'm thinking of just setting up a weblog at somewhere like http://wordpress.com/
-- a big, reliable, third-party weblog host.  Anyone not keen on that idea?
Comment 3 Duncan Findlay 2007-01-22 17:54:08 UTC
-1

Doesn't that bring up problems with hosting official content on a non-Apache site?

I don't see what having another website with news would do -- why would people
ever visit it? Isn't the point of the news that we want it to appear on the top
of our website? Could we not just make a news page with the current site and
have the latest news item appear on the front page?

Presumably it would also be possible to have apache host a blog for us, if
necessary.

I agree the current page needs a trim. Removing the old news would be
sufficient, in my opinion.
Comment 4 Theo Van Dinter 2007-01-22 17:58:38 UTC
I think we generally need a cleanup of our website, and perhaps some new design
work.  I've heard people making comments about it, though when I suggest to them
that we're happy if people want to work on it for us, they go away.

Otherwise I don't think we need to go to an external party.  That's just going
to confuse people.
Comment 5 Michael Parker 2007-01-22 18:00:09 UTC
Planet Apache publishes release announcements all the time.  Why not just use
that method.  I'm with Duncan, I don't see a reason to start up a blog just to
make announcements.  Reformat the main page or something to make it look nicer,
key into Planet Apache for release announcements, but more than that is overkill
IMO.
Comment 6 Doc Schneider 2007-01-22 20:31:30 UTC
There is always the Wiki to post announcements to.

I'm also with Duncan and Michael on not needing a place just to post
announcements--it isn't like we even do all that many per year.

Maybe after I finish up the "What's New" for 3.2 I'll then tackle some
re-designing of the website.  
Comment 7 Justin Mason 2007-01-23 02:33:00 UTC
OK, sounds like an external release-announcements blog is unpopular. ;)
FWIW, here are the reasons I was considering it to be a possibility:

- 1. having a basic "news page" is not as friendly as a "news blog" (using a
  blog allows (a) web-based publishing of new items (b) user-subscribable RSS
  feeds (c) syndication to other sites via feeds)

- 2. the ASF has no existing blog hosting system (Jakarta have some hacks to
  publish an RSS page from their news page, but it's frankly horrific and
  there's no way we should adopt it: see
 
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/index.html#How%20To%20Add%20News%20(Committers)
)

- 3. ASF infrastructure don't have the bandwidth to set one up or host it
  (we've been waiting 18 months for the relatively simple issue of email
  submission to bugzilla, so this is clearly the case)

- 4. several ASF-linked blogs (such as http://feather.planetapache.org/ ,
  http://www.apachenews.org/ , and planetapache.org itself) are already hosted
  and run external to ASF infrastructure.


However, I'm not too bothered, anyway.  Using a "news" page on the current
site, or a wiki page, is probably the best compromise.

(PS: regarding Planet Apache -- that is, in fact, an *external* site offering
syndication of *external*, non-ASF, blogs!  It's not hosted by the ASF.  in
other words, an external blog would of course be part of Planet Apache.)

Comment 8 Justin Mason 2007-01-24 06:30:40 UTC
ok, now done.
Comment 9 Duncan Findlay 2007-01-24 13:53:16 UTC
I see your point about RSS feeds -- I suppose that could be useful. If webmake
could create an RSS feed, would that solve the problem? :-)

Anyways, I like the change you've made, but I think it might still be nice to
see one (and only one) news item on the front page, perhaps with a link to News.
Comment 10 Tom Schulz 2007-01-25 06:36:13 UTC
My $.02 worth.  I think that the current release should be listed on the
main page.
Comment 11 Justin Mason 2007-08-15 02:37:22 UTC
interesting factoid: it appears mod_mbox, the archiving software, gained the
ability to output an Atom feed sometime last year:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-announce/?format=atom

it's ugly as all hell, but at least it provides a feed now.