Issue 111061

Note that this is a very annoying problem, which really needs solution, despite
technically being an enhancement.
(It also wastes a lot of valuable time.)

Note also that a number of issues have been filed relating to special cases of
this problem.  This issue proposes a general solution.

Note also that this proposal is by toolbar.  Each toolbar would continue to have
its own positioning.
Also this could apply to any Opendocument type, not just spreadsheets.
(Although my primary interest in this is spreadsheets.)

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related enhancement 1 :

Option for positioning relative to top/bottom, left/right, or centre.
Could use code 0 for centre, 1 for top left, 2 for top right, 3 for bottom
right, 4 for bottom left.

Alternately, could use non-zero positive for left or top, negative for right or
bottom, and 0,0 for centre.

This would adresse in a general way a number of other requests for enhancements.

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related enhancement 2 :

option for positioning toolbar
- globally : for all opendocument types
- by type : for a specific Opendocument type, e.g. spreadsheet or text
- by document : for a specific document
Cancelling the configuration for a document (to use the type value), or the
configuration for a type (to use the global value) would be useful.

This would make it easy, for example, to configure all spreadsheets the same,
with specific exceptions.  (Very very useful in my case.)

Of course this concept could be extended to other configuration parametres.

Hello,

Wrong component (changed to framework) and most probably a duplicate. Seem to be
similar to issue #63216

Bye

It may be related to issue #63216, but this issue asks for an enhancement,
*adding an option* for absolute positioning of toolbars,
while the other issue is asking to *replace* the current comportment.
It is evident that many users are satisfied with the current comportment, (not a
enormous flood of complaints), so only adding an option seems appropriate.
(However, if the proposal of the other issue is changed to *adding an option* ...)

By the way, if the component is supposed to be "framework" instead of
"spreadsheet", it hasn't been changed.
Note that the "entering and modifying issues" guide gives no info on this.
Neither does a search of the site.

it is already an old bug which appears also in 2.4 and maybe earlier.
I think many users has filed it already under other names.when they adapt the toolbar or changed something in it.
It happens under windows as well under Linux.

I think that it would be a very useful enhancement.
I don't find any duplicate reported.

Your documents are not static and in some stage the absolute positioning will interfere.
A flexible position per document is better.

(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #6)
> Your documents are not static and in some stage the absolute positioning
> will interfere.
> A flexible position per document is better.

Obviously you totally misunderstood the reason for this request.
I WANT the detached tool bar to be in the same position for each open spreadsheet where-ever the particular spreadsheet window is located, to minimize the interference with other open windows.

This bug should be reopened, as it was closed due to a misunderstanding.

This bug needs to be reopened.
It was closed as wontfix by someone who, from their comment, obviously did not understand the purpose of the enhancement request.

No misunderstanding - the position can be set once for each window in the desired location.
I'm against this request.

(In reply to az77 from comment #0)
> Currently a detached tool bar is displaced relative to the document window
> position (when the document is loaded).
> If more than one spreadsheet document is open, and the focus is changed
> between
> documents, the detached tool bar "bounces" around the screen, maintaining its
> position relative to the document currently in focus.

I cannot confirm your description. I use AOO 4.0.1 on Windows 7. If I detach a toolbar and drag it to a position outside, it remains at that position independent of the document. It uses the last position I had chosen.

Which version do you use?

(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #9)
> No misunderstanding - the position can be set once for each window in the
> desired location.
> I'm against this request.

Rather the absolute position of the particular tool bar would be set once for ALL windows, in the desired location.
As an option, it would have no effect for users not interested in using the feature.
Currently, the default position is relative to the window of the particular spreadsheet.  So that when another spreadsheet is opened (in another location), the position of the tool bar is NOT the same.

The fact that one can move it around after opening doesn't help.  It is much more convenient if the tool bar uses the same fixed position, so there is no need to waste time and effort moving the tool bar each time a new spreadsheet is opened.  With several spreadsheets open (for comparison), screen space is at a premium.  There is a definite advantage to having several identical tool bars overwriting each other, thus wasting less space.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #10)
> (In reply to az77 from comment #0)
> > Currently a detached tool bar is displaced relative to the document window
> > position (when the document is loaded).
> > If more than one spreadsheet document is open, and the focus is changed
> > between
> > documents, the detached tool bar "bounces" around the screen, maintaining its
> > position relative to the document currently in focus.
> 
> I cannot confirm your description. I use AOO 4.0.1 on Windows 7. If I detach
> a toolbar and drag it to a position outside, it remains at that position
> independent of the document. It uses the last position I had chosen.
> 
> Which version do you use?

Thanks for the feedback.
I use 4.0 on Linux.
Suppose you open one spreadsheet, and detach the tool bar.
Then open a second spreadsheet.  The window will open in a different location.
Are you saying that the detached tool bar for the second spreadsheet will overwrite the first, at exactly the same location ?  In my case, it uses the same relative location, so the second tool bar does not exactly overlay the first.
If I use 3 spreadsheets simultaneously (for comparison), without moving the tool bar separately for each, I have 3 identical detached tool bars, in 3 different locations.  (I frequently use at least 2 spreadsheets simultaneously, for different purposes.)

I now see the difference. You open the file, detach the toolbar, and open the next file. I have detached the toolbar, closed the files and open them again. I then have got only one detached toolbar which stays where it is when switching the documents. I did it this way because of the remark "when the document is loaded".
Binding position to document window is useful, when there is not enough space on the screen to put the toolbar besides the document, or when the toolbar is included in the document.

The same discussion had been some time ago, see bug 63216. I suggest to close bug 63216 as duplicate of this one, although this is the newer one, because this issue has a suggestion to get both position options, and this issue has got votes.

*** Issue 63216 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***