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|Summary:||Lotus Wordpro Filters Needed|
|Component:||code||Assignee:||AOO issues mailing list <issues>|
|Status:||CONFIRMED ---||QA Contact:|
|Priority:||P3||CC:||ahz001, deepcerulean, domi, issues, kendy, khirano, Mathias_Bauer, mnicel, noel.power, oooforum, openoffice.org, pflin, stp, toddandmargo|
|Issue Type:||PATCH||Latest Confirmation in:||---|
Description tcblack 2003-02-05 16:42:36 UTC
Lotus Wordpro is part of the Lotus SmartSuite Office Productivity Suite. Lotus SMARTSUITE has the second largest marketshare for OfficeSuites (Lotus estimates it's market share at 10%. That's roughly 250 Million Installs.) and we need filters to at the very least IMPORT if not also EXPORT to and From Lotus WordPro.
Comment 1 tcblack 2003-08-29 23:14:24 UTC
I found some information on Lotus Wordpro Filters: From: http://www.xpertss.com/cgi-bin/WebXemail@example.comG.0@13% 40.ee735e2/0 "Here is what little I know about the LWP file format: It's based on something called Bento, developed originally by Apple in the early 90's and used later for ScriptX and OpenDoc. The latter was a joint effort by Lotus, IBM, and others to develop an alternative to Microsoft's OLE format. OpenDoc didn't prevail, but Bento lives on in Word Pro and Notes (I don't know about the other SS apps). Here is a PDF with the first Bento specification: Bento Specification Revision 1.0d5 http://info.wgbh.org/upf/pdfs/BentoSpec1_0d5.pdf"
Comment 2 jack.warchold 2003-09-08 10:17:25 UTC
jw: reassigned to bh
Comment 3 salisburyk 2003-10-03 20:17:46 UTC
*** This issue has been confirmed by popular vote. ***
Comment 4 salisburyk 2003-10-03 23:35:00 UTC
Once we have some good Lotus SmartSuite (WordPro/123) import filters, our entire organization will completely migrate to OpenOffice.org. Import filters for Lotus WordPro and 123 Versions 97 through the current 9.8 should all be very similar, if not the same.
Comment 5 tcblack 2004-03-13 21:30:53 UTC
This was revisited under issue number 16369. I've put a note in both places in order to help keep them together. see: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=16369
Comment 6 tcblack 2004-03-13 21:37:12 UTC
Proposed (temporary) workaround found in firstname.lastname@example.org. It applies to getting LWP documents into OOo under Linux/wine but the basics still apply. Briefly it means installing the Keyview viewers for lotus and copy>pasting the data into OOo. The original post is at: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=discuss&msgNo=32597 I'm posting it here to keep the information together.
Comment 7 tcblack 2004-03-26 03:38:43 UTC
This has already been filed under http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=11215 Wordpro filters are definitely needed.
Comment 8 lohmaier 2004-04-03 21:24:04 UTC
*** Issue 27156 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 9 tcblack 2004-04-03 22:31:12 UTC
There is a package on the Lotus website that explains how to get XML to work inside of Smartsuite, I'm not certain if this will help someone that knows what it means to understand the file format or not, but here's the quote and the link: "Use XML data in SmartSuite Learn how to use XML data in SmartSuite. Details and samples are now available for download." http://www.lotus.com/products/product2.nsf/wdocs/cb09dd011bed60ba85256d5e006d8549
Comment 10 lohmaier 2004-05-09 22:05:34 UTC
*** Issue 14426 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 11 ashibaka 2004-06-09 02:36:22 UTC
I have gleaned this from a lead developer of Bento at Lotus/IBM: Word Pro's document format is super-terrible format deluxe-- it is apparently just a bunch of C pointer calls to the Word Pro functions that create objects. Bento is a container which is tacked onto the end of the Word Pro document. You may safely read Word Pro documents without having to parse the Bento container-- just read up until the Word Pro end-of-file marker. The purpose of Bento is to put documents inside documents, like in Microsoft's DocFile, so simple Word Pro documents do not require you to make sense of Bento. (Although, of course, you will need to know it to export to Word Pro.) I have the Bento specs, but apparently they've been scanned and uploaded already. I also have the specifications for LMBCS, a very old multi-byte protocol which might be used in Word Pro (I'm not sure).
Comment 12 leonbrooks 2004-07-17 13:37:42 UTC
I have a customer whose only major disappointment with the OOo/SO suite is its inability to import the default format of his existing office suite (indeed, anything released by IBM this century). If a viable Word Pro import gets added to OOo this year, you will have a second powerful OOo advocate in Perth, Western Australia (the first one being, of course, Jacqueline :-) as this man has wide networks of contacts in several fields. He's also interested in a this-century 1-2-3 spreadsheet importer (WK1 is seriously short of the mark) . I'd sit down and pitch in myself only I've already got enough work for at least three people, and it would take a substantial amount of time just to pick up enough OOo/SO context to write a useful import filter. Too busy mopping the floor to turn off the tap. )-: KOffice knows how to read Lotus AmiPro files, but AFAIK the file format is quite different to dotLWP. LWP can't be too hard, these guys - http://www.acii.com/online.htm - these guys - http://www.avantstar.com/stellent/groups/public/documents/word_files/quickviewplus8formats.pdf - and these guys - http://www.efax.com/en/efax/twa/page/supportedFileTypes and others can do it. If you want me to feed some files to LWP and see how they come out in the native format, that I _can_ do. I'll see if I can lay hand on a trial version or something and whack it onto my MS-lovin' friend's pet Windows 2003 box and RDP server for easy access.
Comment 13 mmeeks 2004-10-22 10:01:39 UTC
So - we are working on this problem.
Comment 14 lukkke 2005-04-26 10:23:33 UTC
verrry important: I need it to migrate to Openoffice (and we have thousands of stored .lwp files).
Comment 15 mmeeks 2005-05-03 14:55:50 UTC
So - Bentoo is really not that useful wrt. the file format - at least for simple files; the stream is just raw at the beginning. Either way - we have a _very_ simple text importer - that does the moral equivalent of 'strings' - just like (I suppose) an export->Ascii & re-import. The code is available here: http://go-oo.org/ooo-build/patches/test/, 'lwp-*' we can try to get it up-stream, but it really doesn't do all that much yet. Basic style information is indexed via a table; unfortunately working out where that table is is rather tricky; particularly because so much random stuff changes between saves of almost identical files. The lwp stuff will prolly ship in ooo-build builds for 2.0.0; I'm not optimistic that it'll make it up-stream, with a cws, spec, iteam, issue, etc.
Comment 16 sshilpa 2005-05-04 07:42:33 UTC
Created attachment 25771 [details] The code that parses the lwp input stream and renders it in openoffice.
Comment 17 sshilpa 2005-05-04 07:49:41 UTC
Created attachment 25772 [details] Patch to detect the filter for lwp.
Comment 18 sshilpa 2005-05-04 07:52:41 UTC
Created attachment 25773 [details] patch to create a new directory sw/source/filter/lwp and to build the files in there.
Comment 19 stp 2005-08-14 17:38:57 UTC
*** Issue 16369 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 20 at2000 2005-09-12 00:30:16 UTC
Anyone going to review and check in the changes to trunk?
Comment 21 noel.power 2006-03-20 14:29:01 UTC
converted existing patch to pluggable xml filter thingy, next attachment could replace the above patches.
Comment 22 noel.power 2006-03-20 14:30:32 UTC
Created attachment 35066 [details] patch for component import filter
Comment 23 noel.power 2006-03-20 15:22:17 UTC
Created attachment 35067 [details] update ( removed unnessary stuff from makefile )
Comment 24 mmeeks 2006-03-22 13:00:43 UTC
updated milestone & type to appear on the radar.
Comment 25 rbenech 2006-04-14 00:21:44 UTC
I'm available (and very excited) to test this when it becomes part of the snapshot builds... I'm already subscribed to the QA Dev list...
Comment 26 pavel 2006-05-04 06:41:18 UTC
Michael: looks like we need someone who will take care about this bug. Who is it? Can you please set target accordingly?
Comment 27 noel.power 2006-05-04 09:33:31 UTC
maybe Oliver is the guy, seems like this will be progressed via http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/SummerOfCode2006#Writer:_Improved_Lotus_WordPro_Import_Filter
Comment 28 pavel 2006-05-23 06:52:22 UTC
Comment 29 Oliver Specht 2006-05-29 06:39:53 UTC
Sorry, the student who applied for this SoC project applied also for others. He is now working on a bibliography project. New filters should not be located in the sw module. They should not use core functions of the Writer. Instead they should use the UNO API and they should be implemented as an independent component.
Comment 30 noel.power 2006-05-29 11:27:54 UTC
>Sorry, the student who applied for this SoC project applied also for others. He >is now working on a bibliography project. Thats a pity >New filters should not be located in the sw module. ? this filter is not located in the sw module >They should not use core functions of the Writer. Instead they should use the >UNO API and they should be implemented as an independent component. ??? I presume you must be looking at the old patches, please look at the most recent one(s), the filter although very very simple ( pure text, no formatting etc.) is a component and doesn't use any writer functions. Still this is imo useful, at least even in its present state someone can extract useful content from a lwp doc ( better than no import )
Comment 31 Oliver Specht 2006-05-29 12:48:05 UTC
You're right. I've seen the patch regarding sw/source/filter/lwp and that made me think it's still planned to be put into sw. One question remains: Why is sw depending on OOo:lotuswordpro?
Comment 32 noel.power 2006-05-29 13:02:40 UTC
>why is sw depending on OOo:lotuswordpro it not ( well not really ), its only in the dependency list to force it to build which is presumably why sw also supposedly depends on the writerperfect filter. I would imagine that there is a better way to do that :-) and both lotuswordpro and writerperfect should be put in that ( unknown to me ) place
Comment 33 kendy 2006-08-02 09:29:37 UTC
os: Ping? ;-) Is it OK for integration?
Comment 34 mmeeks 2006-08-08 12:19:03 UTC
mba: it's nearly 6 months since we re-wrote this for you to turn it into a component so there was a chance of it going up-stream. Shall we just commit it to a cws targetting 2.0.5 ? Would you find some QA to look at it ? [ the feature set is extremely limited - plain text extraction, so it shouldn't be hard ;-].
Comment 35 Mathias_Bauer 2006-08-17 16:08:57 UTC
Sorry for the delay, I will check what was the reason for it. I assume that Oliver was just buried under a lot of other work. I will discuss with Oliver how we can make sure that this gets into the next version (except if we find some big problems of course ;-))
Comment 36 Oliver Specht 2006-10-25 15:22:23 UTC
Target changed to OOo 2.2 The patch will be integrated into cws os88
Comment 37 Oliver Specht 2006-10-30 06:35:56 UTC
Created attachment 40154 [details] WordPro file example with html and odt conversion
Comment 38 Oliver Specht 2006-10-30 06:55:03 UTC
->npower: I attached an example lwp file and its conversion to html (all from Google) and the resulting odt file. I don't think this filter should be integrated as it is now.
Comment 39 noel.power 2006-11-07 13:22:18 UTC
Comment 40 Mathias_Bauer 2006-12-13 09:49:26 UTC
Can we expect that something happens to this issue at anytime soon? Means: will someone improve the patch in the next few weeks? Otherwise I would prefer to change the issue type from "Patch" to "Feature".
Comment 41 Mathias_Bauer 2006-12-20 16:19:26 UTC
It seems that the patch will not be used anymore. So I change the type to "feature". Target 2.2 is unrealistic -> 2.x.
Comment 42 Oliver Specht 2007-02-12 06:55:58 UTC
I've checked-in the related files in the projects officecfg, scp2, filter, postprocess the new project /cvs/sw/lotuswordpro has been created _without_ cws tagging
Comment 43 Mathias_Bauer 2007-11-23 21:08:28 UTC
Comment 44 timsoft 2008-05-14 10:38:18 UTC
as IBM officially joined the openoffice development team a few months ago, and IBM owned the company which wrote lotus smartsuite, how about asking them from the format?
Comment 45 tcblack 2008-05-14 16:19:04 UTC
I'm not sure how to go about it but IBM's Symphony (http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa)is using the OOo engine and has already provided LWP import functionality. I wouldn't be opposed to finding out the right way to beg them to provide it for OOo as it stands now.
Comment 46 tcblack 2008-05-14 16:39:30 UTC
I've created a request in the forum on the Symphony site: http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/supportThread.jspa?threadID=4714 It's the only place I could find to do anything like this.
Comment 47 marttikarjalainen 2009-05-15 19:29:26 UTC
In case you are not aware there is a working Lotus Wordpro filter available for OpenOffice.org. Lwpfilter is an extension which you can install on OOo 3.1. I have Win XP and it works fine, you should not have any problems with Vista either. There is no version available for Mac. Go and download the extension from the lwpfilter project page: http://code.google.com/p/lwpfilter/ The previous version of lwpfilter worked on OOo 3.0 but the current version supports version 3.1. Lwpfilter is not available for OOo 2.x.
Comment 48 Mathias_Bauer 2009-05-29 16:01:53 UTC
Please could someone interested in this filter check if the extension is good enough? I gave it a try and it was able to load at least some simple documents.
Comment 49 gcg 2009-05-30 23:04:35 UTC
http://code.google.com/p/lwpfilter/ As has been generally requested I've tried this filter with several WordPro document, some short and simple other long and complex. It's loaded the text, headers, footers correctly. The bullets and fonts are sometine different but OK. No formulas or images are included although their approx placement is shown. The first time I used it - it crashed but this hasn't proved repeatable.
Comment 50 pflin 2009-06-02 10:19:29 UTC
Thanks for using this extension in http://code.google.com/p/lwpfilter/ . As mentioned in http://code.google.com/p/lwpfilter/, this filter is from cws ooo11lotusfilter which is based on OOo 1.1. Because there are much different between OOo 1.1 and OOo 3.0 and I have not much time. I had to disable some features including image, OLE when I ported it to OOo 3.0. IIRC, Lotus wordpro filter is included in IBM's Symphony. and IBM announced they were migrating IBM's Symphony to OOo 3.0 in OOoCon2008. It would much better if asking IBM to upstream their new filter based on OOo3.0. I don't want to duplicate the effort.
Comment 51 tcblack 2009-06-02 13:01:37 UTC
I tried the use the filter found at Google in OOo 3.1.0 on Windows XP and it causes OOo to crash on every attempt to load an LWP file on my system. Unfortunately the crashes are repeatable on my system. Pleading with IBM symphony to release their functioning filters makes excellent sense. They have the full Bento spec and have apparently made it work.
Comment 52 pflin 2009-06-03 02:39:32 UTC
pflin -> tcblack ->I tried the use the filter found at Google in OOo 3.1.0 on Windows XP and it ->causes OOo to crash on every attempt to load an LWP file on my system. ->Unfortunately the crashes are repeatable on my system. would you please upload your file or send it to me so that I could have a look?
Comment 53 tcblack 2009-08-01 17:15:57 UTC
tcblack > pflin Sadly (?) after a system crash I reinstalled my OS and OOo+ the filter and it works! So there was a problem in there somewhere from OS level all the way to filter level, but I'll never be able to figure out where. It works now, at least on the several documents I've tested. I have noticed that the import does not "remember" the sections that were in the LWP file and turn them into OOo sections. I have also noticed that it will not import some/all graphics. Especially if the graphics were Lotus draw object the import only results in a blue translucent square OOo draw object. So a bunch of my charts are effectively lost unless I go ahead and re-install my old wordpro disk just long enough to export them as JPG.
Comment 54 tcblack 2010-08-25 15:14:23 UTC
Unfortunately after migrating to OOo 3.2.1 The LWP filter from the Google code site no longer installs. (see http://code.google.com/p/lwpfilter/issues/detail?id=3 and related links.) The mentioned thread indicates that Go-oo (http://go-oo.org) does work with LWP files. Any chance we can get filters from there? Here's a link to a search through the commit logs for LWP support: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/ooo-build/ooo-build/log/?qt=grep&q=lwp
Comment 55 Rob Weir 2013-07-30 02:46:32 UTC
Reset assignee on issues not touched by assignee in more than 1000 days.
Comment 56 oooforum (fr) 2017-01-02 21:49:11 UTC
Status set to patch Maybe devteam can have a look?