Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Full Text Issue Listing |
Summary: | Numbered lists on "a b c" format do not use Spanish alphabet | ||||||
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Product: | Writer | Reporter: | rgb <rgb.mldc> | ||||
Component: | formatting | Assignee: | AOO issues mailing list <issues> | ||||
Status: | CLOSED DUPLICATE | QA Contact: | |||||
Severity: | Trivial | ||||||
Priority: | P3 | CC: | elish, issues | ||||
Version: | OOo 3.2.1 | ||||||
Target Milestone: | --- | ||||||
Hardware: | All | ||||||
OS: | All | ||||||
Issue Type: | ENHANCEMENT | Latest Confirmation in: | --- | ||||
Developer Difficulty: | --- | ||||||
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Description
rgb
2010-09-10 22:58:10 UTC
Created attachment 71643 [details]
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Ups! I forgot to change the mime type for the sample document... it is displayed as "plain text" but it is an odt file... sorry. I think this issue is invalid because it appears that alphabetical numbered lists are not language specific but script specific (no reference found, just a consequeence of seeing Latin, Cyrillic, Arabic etc options in the numbering listbox). Spanish uses the latin script, thus the latin alphabet for alphabetical numbered lists (26 characters). Plus, it appears that the Spanish alphabet doesn't have 27 but 29 letters: a, b, c, *ch*, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, *ll*, m, n, *ñ*, o, p, q, r, s, t, u, v, w, x, y, z The fact that the 3 extra letters are excluded, that no dichritical letters in other languages are used tends to confirm that only the latin alphabet should be used. closed The "Real Academia Española" eliminated ch and ll from the alphabet at least 20 years ago (they are included as part of c and l, respectively, on the "diccionario de la real academia española"). Spanish is my native tongue. Even if I cannot find now a clear document (I'm living now at 15000 kilometers from my old text books), I clearly remember at school using ñ on alphabetically "numbered" lists... I'll look more deeply on this later (if I can gather some time), but the problem is more general: For instance, on Italian j, k, w, x and y are NOT part of the alphabet... The "Real academia española", the maximun authority on Spanish language, have a service to ask linguistic questions here: http://www.rae.es/RAE/Noticias.nsf/Home?ReadForm (under "consultas lingüisticas"). I finally ask to them the question is it is proper to use the ñ or not on lists. In a nutshell (their complete answer, with English translation, at the end of this message) is: The use of the ñ is perfectly valid. ch and ll should be avoided because they are digraphs. If the document must be sent outside Spanish area the international alphabet is then appropriate, but the user have the right to select to use the ñ or not. In this case, having a new entry on the lists types will be useful So I'm reopening this issue. Original text: En la creación de esquemas o en la ordenación de epígrafes con letras se prescinde de la ch y la ll precisamente por ser dígrafos o conjuntos de dos letras. En principio, no hay problema alguno en utilizar la ñ, dado que es una letra del alfabeto español. Se puede optar por el criterio que prefiera siempre que este se mantenga coherentemente en todo el trabajo. Ahora bien, si una publicación va a tener difusión fuera del ámbito español sería preferible utilizar solo las letras del alfabeto internacional, que no incluye la ñ. English translation In the creation of schemes or arrangements of epigraphs with letters one does without the ch and the ll precisely for being digraphs or sets of two letters. In principle, there is no problem in using ñ, because it is a letter of the Spanish alphabet. It is possible to choose any criterion you prefers providing that this one is kept coherent in all the work. Now then, if a publication is going to have diffusion outside of the Spanish area it would be preferable to use only the letters of the international alphabet, which does not include the ñ. BTW: on a side note, on the last years I had the opportunity to visit several theatres on the north of Italy (some of them really big, like the auditorium of Milan conservatory). On all those theatres the rows are "numbered" with letters... of the Italian alphabet: no trace of j, k, w, x or y. So I think the problem is not only with Spanish. Reassigned to requirements Duplicate per comment 8 *** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of issue 71465 *** |