Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Full Text Issue Listing
|Summary:||Text Box scrolling in Slide Show mode|
|Product:||Impress||Reporter:||Rick Dubbs <rickdubbs>|
|Component:||ui||Assignee:||AOO issues mailing list <issues>|
|Status:||CONFIRMED ---||QA Contact:|
|Priority:||P3||CC:||elish, gary.turner71, phoenix.wanglf, sundman|
|Issue Type:||ENHANCEMENT||Latest Confirmation in:||4.1.0-dev|
Description Rick Dubbs 2012-07-20 12:11:22 UTC
I am a teacher, and I find that "traditional" slide-based presentations have a serious drawback in classroom use. While I don't rush through giving lecture notes, I would like the option to be able to scroll my notes upward rather than having to move to a new slide when I come to the end of my current slide. Teleprompter software does exist, but I want to include (and move) graphics along with the text. The best solution IMHO would be to permit the creation of an unlimited text/graphics area on a slide where reaching the end of the content would display a new slide with the first section of content at the top (like a page break). In other words, if the content included on one slide exceeded the display area of the slide then the content would scroll up (one item at a time) until the end of the content is reached. The next advance after the end of the content would bring up a new slide.
Comment 1 Li Feng Wang 2012-08-29 09:11:53 UTC
Change issue type from DEFECT to FEATURE.
Comment 2 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-15 19:38:46 UTC
Please attach example.
Comment 3 Rick Dubbs 2014-04-15 23:43:33 UTC
Created attachment 83201 [details] Scrolling Presentation Example This is an example of the hard way to achieve a "teleprompter" presentation. I'm hoping that someone might be interested in making it easier.
Comment 4 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-16 06:19:30 UTC
Thank you. Why do you insist having so much information on one slide? Why the "homework hotline" banner? Why aren't you using the available notes feature? Teleprompter is for reading. A presentation has both reading from slide and listening to lecturer. Most human beings are not multi-tasking... if they are too busy reading the slide they are not paying attention to what the lecturer is saying. From my experience a slide shouldn't be over-crowded with content. IMHO having unlimited content in one slide is bad.
Comment 5 Rick Dubbs 2014-04-16 09:34:42 UTC
(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #4) > Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks for pursuing this matter. Please allow me to add some background before I directly answer your questions (which are all very good, BTW.) I teach middle school science. Many science teachers use notes as a teaching strategy. In my class, during "lecture" each student is required to copy exactly what I present on the screen, and then is allowed to use those notes to help with any assignment and the tests. 26 years ago, I wrote the notes on the board, then I progressed to overhead transparencies, transparencies that were created from word processed documents, and then Powerpoint. While PowerPoint & Impress have the ability to easily mix text and graphics, they both have the disadvantage that when the bottom of a slide is reached either the entire class must wait until everyone copies down that last bit of information, or the slowest note-takers miss out on the last bits. This teaching technique is common in middle school through college, and my college-aged son does complain of teachers who go too quickly. My request is for the development of an animation technique that would permit the items in a presentation to scroll up when the last item on the slide is reached. I admit that the technique that I came up with is a kludge, but it does achieve the scrolling effect. In the two years that I have used this technique, no one has ever asked me to slow down my presentation. > Why do you insist having so much information on one slide? What you see is the entirety of the notes that I am presenting in that session. I suppose that I could put less into a slide, and get the same effect, but I found that it is easier to construct the presentation by just deleting material from the top rather than deleting and adding at the same time. > Why the "homework hotline" banner? The banner has noting to do with my need for scrolling notes. The banner was created because my classroom is a converted Kindergarten room, and the ceilings are low. If I continuously introduced new material at the bottom of the screen, then many students has to crane their necks to see the bottom slide. When I merely put the black bar at the bottom, the computer/projector adjusted the screen formatting so that clear white area showed on the screen. I had to put something in the black bar so the it would not be adjusted out. > Why aren't you using the available notes feature? I'm not sure I follow this question. AFAIK notes do not show on the screen. > Teleprompter is for reading. No argument. I use "teleprompter" only as an analogy to what I want to achieve visually. A teleprompter scrolls the text continuously from the bottom to the top, in effect never actually reaching a bottom of the text. > A presentation has both reading from slide and listening to lecturer. Correct. In my presentations, I display the note on the screen and give my students time to copy it down. Then, I will discuss it further and may display a graphic on a second screen using an overhead projector or do a demonstration. Then I will move to the next note. > Most human beings are not multi-tasking... if they are too busy reading the > slide they are not paying attention to what the lecturer is saying. That is my experience, too. That is why I usually wait until most of my students have copied down the note before discussing additional information. My notes are the important skeleton of the discussion, and provide the direct answers to most of the questions they will be asked on assignments and the tests. > From my experience a slide shouldn't be over-crowded with content. > IMHO having unlimited content in one slide is bad. I agree with this, too. In practice, the technique I use is only presenting one new item at a time. For everyone who is completely keeping up, the additional information above is ignored. For those who are a little behind, the information above is still available to be written down. What I hope could be added to OpenOffice.org's Presentation module would be an easier way to get the same effect plus include the ability to scroll graphics along with the text. Right now, adding graphics is a bit difficult. I gave a presentation of this technique at the most recent Hoosier Association of Science Teachers, Inc. (HASTI) conference. There were about a dozen folks in attendance. My presentation materials are available at: https://sites.google.com/site/mmssci8/hasti Please do not hesitate if you have further/other questions.
Comment 6 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-16 10:58:23 UTC
I do realize the physical hand writing activity contributes to learning. But I also think class time is precious and shouldn't be allocated to activities a student can do at home (copying slides). I would have suggested the use of a form controls text box with vertical scrollbar, but unfortunately scrollbars are inoperative in slide show mode. Therefore IMHO this is a worthy request. Confirmed with AOO410m17(Build:9763) - Rev. 1586584 2014-04-11 09:13 - Linux x86_64 Debian PS Generally speaking, Confirmed status doesn't guarantee the request implementation. The development team may reject upon knowledge I don't possess: a. conflict with other feature b. legal / license issues c. cost-benefit ratio (i.e. how useful the feature vs. programming effort - we have limited resources)
Comment 7 mroe 2014-04-16 11:48:04 UTC
If I understand right the new topic isn't what the reporter want. @reporter: Would be the following for you a practicable solution/workaround? 1) Use Writer and change the view to Web Layout. 2) Design your presentation and show it using View → Full Screen. The rulers can be disabled under Options → OpenOffice Writer - View: [ ] Ruler Because there are no pages you can insert Bookmarks, Sections or whatever so you can use the Mini Navigator at left bottom to easy jump between.
Comment 8 Rick Dubbs 2014-04-16 14:51:07 UTC
(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #6) > I do realize the physical hand writing activity contributes to learning. > But I also think class time is precious and shouldn't be allocated to > activities a student can do at home (copying slides). I would love to teach in a situation where I could expect my students to do work at home, and come to school ready to just work on labs and experience demonstrations. Sadly, if I do not have them do my work in class, then it will likely not get done. The method I use does seem to work for most of my students. > I would have suggested the use of a form controls text box with vertical > scrollbar, but unfortunately scrollbars are inoperative in slide show mode. > Therefore IMHO this is a worthy request. > > Confirmed with > AOO410m17(Build:9763) - Rev. 1586584 > 2014-04-11 09:13 - Linux x86_64 > Debian > > PS Generally speaking, Confirmed status doesn't guarantee the request > implementation. > The development team may reject upon knowledge I don't possess: > a. conflict with other feature > b. legal / license issues > c. cost-benefit ratio (i.e. how useful the feature vs. programming effort - > we have limited resources) Thank you for your help and attention to my request.
Comment 9 Rick Dubbs 2014-04-16 14:55:16 UTC
(In reply to mroe from comment #7) > If I understand right the new topic isn't what the reporter want. The topic may not explain it the best, but I believe that Edwin Sharp understands what I am looking for. > @reporter: > Would be the following for you a practicable solution/workaround? > > 1) Use Writer and change the view to Web Layout. > 2) Design your presentation and show it using View → Full Screen. > > The rulers can be disabled under Options → OpenOffice Writer - View: [ ] > Ruler > Because there are no pages you can insert Bookmarks, Sections or whatever so > you can use the Mini Navigator at left bottom to easy jump between. I appreciate your suggestion. I could use this technique, if I was at a computer using a mouse (or perhaps had a remote mouse), but I am walking around the room with a presentation remote (just advance, back, and black slide buttons). The advantage of using presentation software is that it just displays the next thing I want shown, instead of my having to coax the scroll thumb down a bit and perhaps overshoot.
Comment 10 mroe 2014-04-16 16:34:26 UTC
What I understand is, for a text area (that could be longer then a slide) you need an animation path that would move the text area line by line upwards. If the last line is shown, the next slide should be upwards moved in and push upwards the previous slide out.
Comment 11 Rick Dubbs 2014-04-16 16:50:11 UTC
(In reply to mroe from comment #10) > What I understand is, for a text area (that could be longer then a slide) > you need an animation path that would move the text area line by line > upwards. If the last line is shown, the next slide should be upwards moved > in and push upwards the previous slide out. that sounds like a reasonable description, except the move would not necessarily be a single line at a time. The move up could be multiple lines. I would also like to add graphics and have those scroll up also. The file attachment to this thread shows an example of what I would like to see more easily done (and without the restrictions my technique places on point size).
Comment 12 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-22 12:42:02 UTC
*** Issue 100763 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***