Issue 12686

Summary: Tabbed Document Windows
Product: General Reporter: craigaa
Component: uiAssignee: AOO issues mailing list <issues>
Status: CONFIRMED --- QA Contact:
Severity: Major    
Priority: P3 CC: 2rb0alex, aarnold, andre.schnabel, cddesjardins, christian.laeger, discoleo, elgrindio, elish, fox_llmcem, gercokees, gustavo, h.mth, hellrage, irne.barnard, issues, jbf.faure, kami911, khirano, lnain07, Mathias_Bauer, merschmann, mfedyk, newintentions, norbert.notz, obsazeny.cz, pats, philcha2009, rolf.sponsel, s.schauenburg, sch, stp, tdzz1, tech, victorlefevre, yahkadev, yoshimit
Version: currentKeywords: oooqa, rfe_eval_ok, usability
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Hardware: All   
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Issue Type: FEATURE Latest Confirmation in: 4.1.0-dev
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Issue Depends on: 102365    
Issue Blocks: 62933    
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Description craigaa 2003-03-26 18:31:57 UTC
Hi,

We've had tabbed browsing for a while in Mozilla etc.

Any chance of tabbed editing?

i.e. opening individual documents as tabs in OOo.

Regards

Craig A.
Comment 1 Frank Schönheit 2003-04-16 14:02:49 UTC
assigning to user experience team for evaluation
(sounds like yet another MDI request to me)
Comment 2 eric.savary 2003-04-16 15:32:24 UTC
Set to "NEW"
Comment 3 lohmaier 2003-10-05 17:38:35 UTC
*** Issue 9983 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 4 lohmaier 2003-10-05 17:39:01 UTC
*** Issue 20714 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 5 lohmaier 2004-05-01 14:29:42 UTC
*** Issue 27737 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 6 andreschnabel 2004-06-02 19:59:39 UTC
*** Issue 27218 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 7 lohmaier 2004-09-23 22:01:16 UTC
reassigning..
Comment 8 mindspin 2004-11-19 17:42:36 UTC
Created attachment 19505 [details]
OOo Splash screen for version 2.0
Comment 9 mindspin 2004-11-19 17:45:31 UTC
Woops, attached in the wrong issue
Comment 10 lohmaier 2004-12-21 21:54:28 UTC
*** Issue 39385 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 11 bobharvey 2005-03-04 20:54:35 UTC
I thought this had already been decided:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=6371
Comment 12 sajer 2005-03-04 21:11:03 UTC
Decided? People did not like StarOffice 5.2, but it really can't be compared to
tabs a'la Lotus, can it? StarOffice 5.2 combined everything, it was horror.

Look at the number of votes. People now know tabs from everywhere, especially
Firefox that is very popular because of its use of tabs.

Working with many documents in the task bar is confusing, where the hey is this
and that. With tabs everything is so easy!
Comment 13 bobharvey 2005-03-04 21:24:50 UTC
Well, if the idea is up for discussion all over again, then I think
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=20701 will have to be decided -
the use of tabs within a document.  The stylist and Navigator have largely made
this second idea redundant, and I refer the house to
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=7833
Comment 14 ziptx 2005-03-04 23:35:54 UTC
In answer to bobharvey in duplicate issue 6371: 

    [And would you have a spreadsheet tab next to a wp tab?  or not?]

The answer is YES!  I usually have 10-15 documents open.  Example: 5 different
MS Accesses instances, 4 or 5 text/Writer documents, 2 or 3 spreadsheet/Calc
documents.  I am using [cutting/pasting] information out of each of these
“repositories” to assemble new documents, story boards, business cases, or 
programs. This often includes 2 or 3 new “story boards” in simultaneous
production drawing from these same 10-15 different sources.  To have the ability
to simplify all my OO open documents [including the new Base] into tabs and show
one instance on the Windows Taskbar, would leave room on the Taskbar for the
other 5 or 10 programs that are being used to support the “story”.  This is not
to say that I wouldn't want to have 2 or 3 instances of OO open, each with their
own set of tabs.  I tend to do this with Firefox, opening 2 or 3 instances and
having each instance host tabs on a particular theme or story.

Here are some rough thoughts on where the tabs would naturally fit.

Window / “TitleBar”
File/Edit/View  “ControlBar”
1st  “ToolBar”
2nd  “ToolBar”
Add a 3rd  Toolbar known as a “TabBar”

This “Tab Bar” would have a “tab” or “button” of all the open documents listed
in the menu item of “Window” on the ControlBar.

Justification:

1)In FireFox, the tabs are *after/below* all the Tool/Control bars and
*before/above* the working space.  It would seem a natural fit to have a
“TabBar” below the two default tool bars of each OO Application. The trick would
be to get the ControlBar, ToolBars, and working space to change in relation to
the type of document that is clicked in the TabBar. Similar to when switching
between tabs in Firefox, the URL bar changes to the right web address. [Of
course switching to the correct ControlBar, ToolBars, and Workspace would be a
hair more complex than changing text in a URL bar =) ]

2)After spending time in FireFox, it would seem unnatural to have the tabs above
the ControlBar.

3)Having the tabs on the bottom of the instance also seems awkward. Document
changing functionality seems naturally grouped at the top.   Also, some
applications [like Calc and Draw] have tabs near the bottom for certain
functions already built into the application.   The eyes also draw to the title
bar on the top to see the which document is open, so tabs [which depict which
document your working on and have open]  would “feel” better near the top.

In regards to the referenced issues:

7833  -- is a completely unique concept not related to tabs.  Document tabs
provide *only* the function of aggregating open documents and providing quick
navigation between those documents.

6371 – I have never used StarOffice, nor do I know how long ago 5.2 was in its
prime.  Using Firefox tabs creates a bit of a paradigm shift in your thinking. 
But as most users attest, once the mind grasps the the concept, it's near
impossible to turn back.   Now that  a small percentage of the population has a
grasp of this “tab” concept, these users will naturally want it to flow into the
rest of their workspace because of the organization and ease it provides.  I see
the concept growing and maturing just as having multiple “windows” did.

20701 –  is a completely unique concept from open document tabs and proposes
providing tabs that reflect sections in one document and NOT tabs for each open
document in OO.  If this feature comes to fruition, I see it as a feature of the
application itself. Example: Providing small tabs at the bottom of the Writer
application much the same as the tabs in Calc.

Since I am fairly new to contributing, I would be more than willing to help in a
usability study [as bobharvey  mentioned in issue 6371 ] or in other ways.   I
just need to be pointed in the right direction.

One last hair-brained idea:   A "plugin" could be made for Firefox to allow a
tab to open an instance of an OO application.  The same way "FireFTP" [a unique
 FTP Application] opens in a tab of FireFox.  I'll post this suggestion over on
Mozilla.

Comment 15 revnomad 2005-03-05 23:23:15 UTC
Some reactions:
1.  Yes I suppose it is an MDI request.  I much prefer MDI to  cluttering my
work space with multiple redundent windows.

2.  Comparing a tabbed interface with StarOffice 5.2 is ...... well I want to
say foolish but that is insulting and I don't mean that.......it misses the
point.  They are not the same by any means.  (But then once I got used to
StarOffice 5.2 I could work well with it.) However there was never a good reason
for SO 5.2 to behave as it did.  A tabbed interface need not, should not, get in
the way of any other applications.

3.  At least I want the option for this.

Norman Prather
Comment 16 bcharlesr 2005-03-06 07:37:57 UTC
Here's my .02, I guess. I got interested in this issue after attempting to edit a large multi-file master 
document and grew really frustrated with multiple individual windows when Calc already contains tabs 
for multiple spreadsheets. My interest is to use the tabs similarly to Calc, wherein each separate tab is 
still a part of the same file, but logically separated from the rest of the document. It makes editing or 
writing books or other files with logical "chapters" easier without having to reference external 
documents or keep multiple windows open for cross referencing while editing the file.

I certainly would not want to return to the StarOffice 5.2 days. It was really quite horrid having to 
maintain the Star desktop _and_ the underlying UNIX or Windows desktop. I just want something similar 
to a feature already present in Calc and other spreadsheet programs to be present in my word-
processor.

Approximately how much of the Calc tab code would need to be changed/re-written in order to make it 
work in Writer?
Comment 17 lpret 2005-03-09 00:30:40 UTC
At some point there need to be features that make OOo stand out from the other
offerings.  What better way than to offer tabs?  Tabs make the experience unique
to OOo and create value for working in OOo vs. others.  This is a similar move
that had to be made in the browser world.  Firefox (and mozilla in general) has
several features that allow it to be a better browsing experience than IE can
offer and thus there are many users who choose Firefox, not simply "not IE."  We
need people who choose this Office suite because it is unique, not because it is
simply another option.
Comment 18 psut2003 2005-03-10 16:36:48 UTC
I thought this would be a good idea,  as we already have tabs in spread sheets
and sometimes it's nice to be able to work on more than one document at the same
time,  it also means less clutter in the taskbar I guess

Paul

PS Best of luck with openoffice 2.0
Comment 19 gonzalez 2005-03-10 20:11:30 UTC
The main reason I would like to see tabbed documents in OOo is this:
tab documents would allow me to handle the information (opening, processing an
storage)  in an integrated and tidy structure, i.e. as thematic dossiers and not
only as isolated documents.
This is a new functionality whose usefulness goes farther than simple "nice"
experiences (à la M$), and even than the usefulnees we can have when browsing on
internet. If we think a little bit, we will see that it is precisely this way
-integrated handling of information through dossiers- that people try to do
their work in every office, school, etc. A couple of examples:  a dossier (a
group of related information in the form of several files) about a prospective
client; a dossier about a candidate for a vacancy; a dossier about an investment
project; a dossier about a research or rapport at the school or university; a
dossier with all the letters I have written to somebody; a dossier about... you
name it.
 Now, which program do you think, can incorporate -I would even say it requires-
this functionality in a natural way? M$, where you have all kind of "niceties"
but without order (a very pleasant mess)? Or Open Office, which at its very base
(and not like inM$ as only one more nicety) has the structure of templates,
styles and navigator and the integration between its different modules from
within each module? I think tabbed documents would be "only" a natural extension
in OOo, but a very useful one especially in terms of work productivity  (of
course, it would be, besides, pleasant). If M$ would offer sth. comparable, it
will have to change its approach (at least in relation to text treatment), and
not only stuff a computer with useless niceties (after a whole year working with
OOo I go sometimes back to look at Word. It feels like an elephant full bells
and beads).
 I left M$ because of this kind of functionalities  offered by OOo, because they
allowed me to increase my productivity and efficiency, not because it was
"nicer" (well, it was nicer for the quality of my work). 
Regards,
gonzalez
Comment 20 lohmaier 2005-07-13 21:23:47 UTC
*** Issue 47490 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 21 lohmaier 2005-07-13 21:25:28 UTC
*** Issue 51852 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 22 nigelenki 2005-07-13 23:39:56 UTC
Here's an idea.  Someone install koffice and try using koshell, the KOffice
Workspace.  That's really cool. . . .  Of course the koffice apps kind of suck
(though frame-based desktop publishing is awesome; of course they confused it
with word processing but eh).
Comment 23 lohmaier 2005-08-03 19:27:10 UTC
*** Issue 52637 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 24 lohmaier 2005-08-03 19:29:04 UTC
*** Issue 26096 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 25 zanavashi 2005-11-29 00:57:48 UTC
Big hatip to Craig A. for bringing this issue to the fore.

I am a long-time OpenOffice user who is frequently working in anywhere from 4 -
10 different writer documents at a time and having so many windows open at once
is confusing and also time-consuming to my work flow.

As others have mentioned, the original reason I switched from IE to firefox was
to take advantage of the power of tabbed browsing and this has enhanced my web
usage beyond belief.

The possibility of having only one OpenOffice window running with multiple file
tabs and an option to place the tab bar at either the top/bottom or side of my
window would have the same impact on my OpenOffice experience.

I can't wait to see soem development in this area.

Cheers,
Z
Comment 26 annorax 2005-12-15 15:26:48 UTC
I too have been using OO for a while and love it. Tabbed documents would make
this program even more appealing. I often work with many documents and Excel
sheets and  tabs would greatly ease that.
Comment 27 oakz 2005-12-17 04:15:41 UTC
Like many of the other commentators, I LOVE the Tabs in Firefox. I also agree
that there are good intrinsic reasons to add Tabs to an Office Suite. My
real-world project often involve using more than one Office Suite application.
I'd love to be able to: 

1. Open Writer, Calc, etc. in a single window, each in its own Tab.

2. SAVE and OPEN all of such open Tabs as ONE document. It would be like a
supercharged version of the "Bookmark All Tabs" function in Firefox, or maybe an
enhancement of the Master Document feature in OOo 2.0. The goal is to open all
the related documents in a project at once, and just keep working. Something
like this already exists in Calc. But there is no logical reason to limit it to
Calc -- except this is what Microsoft does with Excel. I agree that it would be
great to create a BETTER user experience than Microsoft does.

3. Have the Tabs  on top, like in Firefox, not at the bottom, like in Calc and
Excel. Tabs on top would be consistent with the familiar GUI approach that
controls and menus are on top, and the user's content is below them.

4. Search, Replace and apply Formatting/Styles across all open documents in all
the Tabs, regardless of which application is in each Tab. This would help to
keep all related documents consistent across applications.

Thanks in advance for considering these points.
Comment 28 nbinont 2006-01-26 02:11:37 UTC
I agree that this is a great idea. But here's a couple thoughts:
1. Allow the user to turn off the tabs, if desired. Some people actually prefer
a non-tabbed experience (yes, I know, hard to understand, but they do)
2. It would be nice to allow the user to select where they want the tab bar to
appear (something like how the start menu/taskbar can be moved in windows, but
still inside openffice), then the user can decide where they like it.

3. Keep up the good work. your product rocks!
Comment 29 jondoe 2006-03-09 23:40:01 UTC
There have been a lot of great comments regarding this issue.  I have voted for
this comment, and I would like to add my own thoughts.

The evolution of tabbed interfaces has been a gradual and interesting one. 
Tabbed interfaces can help tremendously when dealing with a lot of information.
 However, it should be remembered that the first or even subsequent attempts
weren't always good.  So, this issue shouldn't be evaluated in the light of a
product from years ago, and points should be learned from successful interfaces.

Firefox has been used as an example, and I believe it is a good one.  Tabs are
optional.  If you would like to have several windows open, each with several
tabs, that is possible.  If you want one window open with several tabs, that is
possible.  If you want lots of windows open without any tabs, that is possible.
 Also, a tab bar only shows up in Firefox if multiple tabs are open.  It's not
an in-your-face feature.  If tabs are implemented in OOo (and I hope they are),
I would like the same flexibility because it is the reason why Firefox is able
to appeal to users regardless of their preference for tabbed browsing.  There
shouldn't even be a need to turn off tabs because they shouldn't be obvious if a
person doesn't want to use them.

The behavior of tabs in Firefox seems like an obvious enhancement for OOo
because as browsers are used to gather, organize, and create information, OOo is
also used to gather, create, and organize information.  The use of tabs in
Firefox can be looked to for inspiration, and additional enhancements could even
be made.  It should be possible to not only move tabs around within a window,
but also to move tabs from one window to another, to create windows from tabs,
or to create tabs from windows.  Being able to associate a group of files as a
group of tabs would also have some obvious benefits for anyone working on a
large project.

I see this type of functionality as being of enormous immediate benefit to those
without some type of virtual desktop functionality on their computers (mostly
Windows users-the majority of the market), but I would also appreciate some of
the more subtle benefits even when I am able to take advantage of virtual desktops.

A lot of enhancements to the user interface are submitted for user experience
evaluation.  I believe that the user experience has already been proven with
other programs that have tabbed interfaces.
Comment 30 open_me 2006-04-26 15:02:04 UTC
If this implemented, can we have an *option* to turn this feature off, too? I
don't like to clutter my screen with rows of tool bars, tab bars, etc. 
Comment 31 gercokees 2006-07-04 06:59:14 UTC
*** Issue 64711 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 32 blackletter 2006-07-04 17:06:19 UTC
See Issue 62933 for a different take on this issue.
Comment 33 sweetc 2006-07-05 17:42:40 UTC
Hello All!

I hope those who may be working on this issue consider the following:

(1)  Option of choice of where to place the tab bar (Top, Bottom, Left side or 
Right side - Kinda like Opera does)
(2)  Option of having the tab bar recede while working on the document (or 
clicking on a blank area of the document) and then appearing when the mouse is 
moved near to it.
(3)  Ability to turn it on or off.
(4)  Ability to have the tab bar automatically place itself in the desired 
location according to the profile of the individual that signs on to the 
computer.

Thanks in advance to all who work on this project.

SC
Comment 34 aziem 2006-07-16 01:45:42 UTC
*** Issue 66322 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 35 terrynorth 2006-07-16 02:50:59 UTC
I am voting for this issue.  It seems to be the same as:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=54847
Comment 36 lohmaier 2006-08-05 23:09:12 UTC
*** Issue 68179 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 38 Mathias_Bauer 2006-11-16 09:47:18 UTC
Sorry, but issue 54847 isn't the same as this. Please read the comments in issue
54847:

"This task will be used to check in all sources related to the Google Summer Of 
Code project "Tabbed Document Windows for OOo"."

What you can do now is that you can grab the extension from last years GSOC and
install it into OOo to get the rudimentary tab functionality that now has been
committed to the master.

But Tabbed Documents is not just a technical problem (that currently is at least
partially solved by issue 54847), it has more implications:

- How can we make more than one tab visible at a time
- How does the already existing tab functionality in Calc and Impress fit into
the concept?
- How should a user interface look like that allows to have several task windows
each of them equipped with tabs?
- Should each window containing tabs have its own "backing window"?
etc. etc.

All these are important user interface problems that have to be solved before we
can implement the feature. Currently we are laying the technical ground for the
first point of my list (multiple tabs visible).
Comment 39 Mathias_Bauer 2006-12-07 12:29:49 UTC
changed  component to framework
Comment 40 jor 2007-01-16 23:36:02 UTC
I really like this idea.  If it comes to fruition, the nitty gritty features I
would use are (from Firefox):

Hold pointer over a tab and use mouse scroll wheel to scroll through tabs that
aren't all visible at once (when you have more than about 10 tabs open).

When many tabs are open, don't let the tabs get too small.  Keep them big enough
so that enough of the file name appears in the tab so it's recognizable.

Be able to drag tabs to re-position them in the window or to another window.

Be able to open all documents in single folder with an "open all in tabs" option.

Be able to use the keyboard or mouse to:  move from tab to tab, open a new tab,
open a previously closed tab, close a tab, 
Comment 41 Mathias_Bauer 2007-03-31 13:17:56 UTC
*** Issue 75929 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 42 xerty 2007-09-17 19:20:35 UTC
I have just bought a new PC with Vista as the OS. This has forced me to do
something I had planned for a while now and that was to go from Lotus SmartSuite
ME to Open Office.
The first thing I looked for in OO Writer was divisions, which I find essential
in Lotus WordPro. I was really disappointed to find that these are not a feature
of OO.
I find it really strange that something so simple (as a feature, not from a
programming standpoint) and useful has not been included in OO even though it
was requested almost 3 years ago.
Hopefully, divisions or tabs or whatever you want to call them can be
implemented in the near future.
Comment 43 norbert2 2007-10-25 20:07:00 UTC
IBM has this feature in its OOo fork "lotus symphony". Since they announced to
give there code back to the OOo project, I think IBM's code could be used...
Comment 44 Mathias_Bauer 2007-10-26 10:25:56 UTC
No, that won't help. They have embedded OOo into an Eclipse framework. The
result is awfully slow and the memory consumption is bad (let alone stability).
I doubt that everybody wants that OOo needs Eclipse to run. 
Comment 45 Rainer Bielefeld 2008-09-02 19:50:33 UTC
*** Issue 93396 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 46 auberon 2008-09-03 07:31:38 UTC
What about the Tabbed Windows Extension?
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Framework/WorkInProgress/Tabbed_Windows_Extension

It already works though it's still beta and the ui has to be improved.
Comment 47 merschmann 2008-09-03 07:59:06 UTC
> What about the Tabbed Windows Extension?

No thx. It just broke my installation of OOO300_m4.
Comment 48 kellycroberts 2009-04-07 17:55:41 UTC
Tabs would be very helpful, hope to see them soon!
Comment 49 dudson 2009-04-11 13:19:41 UTC
Tabs well implemented and integrated would be a welcome addition to my workflow. 
Tabs are already proving their use in web browsers. 
Comment 50 tommy27 2009-04-11 13:50:18 UTC
this issue has been opened in 2003... such a long time passed by...
Comment 51 tommy27 2009-08-13 12:19:38 UTC
... and is sad to notice that depsite 98 votes, no apparent attempt to make 
this feature come true was done, while a very controversial ribbon-like GUI 
received a lot of energy and attention....
Comment 52 norbert2 2009-08-13 17:54:12 UTC
This is Microsoft's strategic plan. Why competitors run after something they
cannot pass by. ;-)

I agree. Going a own way would be a smarter solution.
Comment 53 irneb 2009-08-15 11:53:33 UTC
Yes! This would be wonderful! It's got my vote!

I just think a "tabbed" interface may look better in the actual titlebar (maybe
on the right, just left of the minimize, maximize, close buttons). But then
again, this may be too different from what people are used to in FF.

FF's tabs work so easily, can be understood so quickly, as to be a no-brainer.
It shouldn't even be a query on if this can be implemented (i.e. FEATURE
REQUEST). It should be a REQUIREMENT!

BTW, wouldn't it be nice to then also add something like the tab addons in FF.
E.g. Tab mix (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1122)
Comment 54 eric.savary 2009-11-09 21:01:49 UTC
*** Issue 106747 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 55 yahooperson 2009-12-12 19:44:00 UTC
I would definitely value tabbed browsing over a ribbon interface.

And I like the idea of having tabs in the title bar...maybe like the way tabs are 
in google chrome.
Comment 56 kgcrafts 2009-12-19 12:40:52 UTC
I agree with Tommy's comments. This project being open for six years should
warrant strong consideration. Internet Explorer 8 uses tabs for separate
windows; so does Firefox 3.5.6. There has been a freeware utility to create tabs
for documents in Microsoft Office (versions 2007 and before) and version 2010
will have that feature built in.

I know OpenOffice is freeware, but my impression is that Sun would like to be
competitive in the market. They had a great opportunity six years ago to beat
everyone to the punch on this one. They (sadly) did not, and now will appear to
"follow" the competition.

So come on Sun - do you want to be in the group with Microsoft? or do you want
to remain in the group with Lotus Symphony (the biggest joke for an office suite
on the planet)?
Comment 57 irneb 2009-12-19 19:59:52 UTC
Another reason I'd say tabs need to be in the title bar (instead of the 3rd
"new" tab-bar) is the differences in toolbars between programs. Say you have a
Writer & Calc file open. If you switch between them, they may have differing
lines of toolbars at the top ... which in effect would move the tab-bar up/down
- this could become quite irritating after a while.

Other than that, I can see 2 solutions if we don't go with the title-bar tabs:

1) Use a constant "toolbar" design like in the Renaissance project. This is
probably also one of M$'s "Fluent" design reasons (i.e. Ribbon). But even some
of the other proposals could work for this (e.g.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Johannes_Eva#14.1_More_about_toolbars
)

2) Only have tabs per program. I.e. don't mix Calc files with Writer files, with
Draw, with Base, etc.

As to the other "related" issue of "Divisions" inside the ODT file. If I
understand correctly, these are available in OOo Writer if you use Master
Documents. Then you have a floating / docked sidebar called the Navigator, which
has a list of Sections which you can double click to goto that section.

This I'd suggest having as tabs at the bottom, since the tabs would only have
reference to the current document. Similar to the tabs in Calc only pertinent to
the current ODS file. At least this would be consistent!
Comment 58 philcha 2010-01-10 15:37:33 UTC
MDI is very different from tabs in 1 part of Open Office - Base. There, one
would need logic that connects or constraints sub-forms - for example in a
accounting app one probably allow several instances of an reports but only one
of the form that adds transactions. AFAIK a tabbed UI would not connect or
constraint sub-forms.
Comment 59 phokian 2010-01-10 17:16:29 UTC
Hi
This is not a tec-post! I don't know anything about how to programme the tab
feature nor could I argue where it exactly would be best to implement, title bar
or new tab bar. I just want to share a plug-in I came across a few days ago.
I nearly do not dare to admit this, but OfficeTab (http://hi.baidu.com/officecm)
is pretty much what I wanted. Not that I really consider to switch back to MS -
but if you work with a lot of docs at the same time it's such a nice thing to
have, this tabbed window.
It's such pity that OO did not take the chance to go first with a really new
feature in the realm of office productivity. And since this issue lives pretty
much without any attention since 2003 (seven! years) I don't think this feature
will come to OO before MS has this as a built-in in one of the next versions.
Only my 2cents.

Kind regards from Ger,
phokian
Comment 60 nomnex 2010-02-10 15:02:50 UTC
hi,

109 votes only.
do an open survey among users and you would get thousands (way over).
tab interface is the way to go. It should be there already, shiny and fresh.

the implementation does not matter to me, it could be one single window and tabs
for all the applications, or one main window per application and tab for
documents belonging to the same application, whatever... but opening 'n windows
for each document is old fashion. It is cumbersome. It clutters the panel, etc.

Remember windoze explorer 5-6? How many users have switched to Firefox, not
because it was open source, but because the tab browser was innovator and handy.

Sure enough, OO is in the true spirit of GnuCash ;-), another old camel with the
weight of an elephant. Unless to have a shotgun as argument, tab interface is
not gonna happen any time soon.
Comment 61 nomnex 2010-02-10 15:04:33 UTC
hi,

109 votes only.
do an open survey among users and you would get thousands (way over).
tab interface is the way to go. It should be there already, shiny and fresh.

the implementation does not matter to me, it could be one single window and tabs
for all the applications, or one main window per application and tab for
documents belonging to the same application, whatever... but opening 'n windows
for each document is old fashion. It is cumbersome. It clutters the panel, etc.

Remember windoze explorer 5-6? How many users have switched to Firefox, not
because it was open source, but because the tab browser was innovator and handy.

Sure enough, OO is in the true spirit of GnuCash ;-), another old camel with the
weight of an elephant. Unless to have a shotgun as argument, tab interface is
not gonna happen any time soon.
Comment 62 nomnex 2010-02-10 15:04:39 UTC
hi,

109 votes only.
do an open survey among users and you would get thousands (way over).
tab interface is the way to go. It should be there already, shiny and fresh.

the implementation does not matter to me, it could be one single window and tabs
for all the applications, or one main window per application and tab for
documents belonging to the same application, whatever... but opening 'n windows
for each document is old fashion. It is cumbersome. It clutters the panel, etc.

Remember windoze explorer 5-6? How many users have switched to Firefox, not
because it was open source, but because the tab browser was innovator and handy.

Sure enough, OOo is in the true spirit of GnuCash ;-), another old camel with
the weight of an elephant. Unless to have a shotgun as argument, tab interface
is not gonna happen any time soon.
Comment 63 merlin38 2010-03-11 16:26:42 UTC
I think tabbed windows, split windows for a single document ans split windows
for multiple document should be considered together. (sorry i'm french speaking)

I was proud to use OOo and i recommend it to many people, but i start to become
ashamed, when MS user show me the split windows feature of Word.

It is not a gadget but a feature that increase productivity dramatically when
working with multiple and long document.

The 3 features are not necessary only if you have two screen witch is pretty rare !

But with increasing screen resolution ans size and adoption of 16/10 or 16/9
format, A modern software should be split and handle multiple document in a fast
and easy way.
To me priority of the 3 features are
1st: window splitting for single doc
2nd window splitting for to docs
3rd tabbed window

Firefox wich is used for reading had implemented tabs at first and secondly a
add-on had allowed to split the window to compare two docs.

For OOo Writer it should be inverse. At first you have to be able to work with
to or a long doc in one unique split windows. Secondly, cosmetics could be
increased using tabs to avoid using windows manager of the task bar.

Nevertheless, each doc should be opened either in a split windows, a tab or a
new windows. Using OOo in Ubuntu nead this, because, as you can use multiple
virtual desktop (compiz cube) and start a new work on a new virtual desktop,
forcing tabbs isn't a good choice.
Comment 64 irneb 2010-03-12 14:41:26 UTC
Tabs should have the option of being opened in a new window. Similar to what FF
does by allowing to Open in current tab, new tab or new window. Also it would be
nice to be able to strip & add tabs between separate windows - also as FF is
capable of.

This problem of tabs with multiple desktops or dual screens have also come up on
the Thunder Bird forum:
http://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/thread_visualization_as_in_threadvis?utm_content=topic_link&utm_medium=email&utm_source=reply_notification

I think it may be a bad thing to introduce tabs the way Mozila did with TB. If
it's only half done, then people will complain even more than not having them at
all.
Comment 65 irneb 2010-03-12 14:48:49 UTC
The split window's a nice idea as well. Especially if tabs become a reality it
could be a necessity.

Try to think back to the "older" MDI interface, where the docs where windows
inside the main program's window. You had a Tile / Cascade Windows option which
performed this basic split-view idea. With the "newer" SDI interface you either
need to stretch the windows manually or have some other program which can
arrange them for you.
Comment 66 merlin38 2010-03-12 14:55:04 UTC
Some people friendly explain that it is possible to work on different part of
the same document with two windows.
For me, multi windowing was a discovery of the year 1995. Despite handling one
unique document in two windows was probably impossible.
Well, this is not the problem.
We are in 2010.
Splitting windows (19292, 19291, 4508) is a feature requested 8 YEARS AGO ! It
is obvious that this feature will make working with OOo more efficient and more
user friendly. It's time to move !
The tabs will became necessary soon or later too. Nevertheless a tab bar will
suppress a part of the screen area. The task bar witch provide nearly the same
feature, can be set to disappear automatically(windows, gnome). So the desktop
task bar don't waste space. It should be take in considération.

PS pinting a document and using it to work on two part of the doc is not a
solution either. Don't suggest it !
Thanks for the time.
Comment 67 eric.savary 2010-05-23 07:54:53 UTC
*** Issue 111774 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 68 eric.savary 2010-06-06 14:34:01 UTC
*** Issue 112163 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 69 tommy27 2010-10-28 20:38:24 UTC
I hope LibreOffice guys will fix this issue before OOo guys
Comment 70 eric.savary 2010-11-27 18:30:43 UTC
*** Issue 115809 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 71 bubbendorf 2010-11-28 10:36:50 UTC
I am voting for this issue. I really like this idea.
Comment 72 elgrindio 2012-02-15 16:57:41 UTC
(In reply to comment #27)
> Like many of the other commentators, I LOVE the Tabs in Firefox. I also agree
> that there are good intrinsic reasons to add Tabs to an Office Suite. My
> real-world project often involve using more than one Office Suite application.
> I'd love to be able to: 
> 
> 1. Open Writer, Calc, etc. in a single window, each in its own Tab.
> 
> 2. SAVE and OPEN all of such open Tabs as ONE document. It would be like a
> supercharged version of the "Bookmark All Tabs" function in Firefox, or maybe
> an
> enhancement of the Master Document feature in OOo 2.0. The goal is to open all
> the related documents in a project at once, and just keep working. Something
> like this already exists in Calc. But there is no logical reason to limit it to
> Calc -- except this is what Microsoft does with Excel. I agree that it would be
> great to create a BETTER user experience than Microsoft does.
> 
> 3. Have the Tabs  on top, like in Firefox, not at the bottom, like in Calc and
> Excel. Tabs on top would be consistent with the familiar GUI approach that
> controls and menus are on top, and the user's content is below them.
> 
> 4. Search, Replace and apply Formatting/Styles across all open documents in all
> the Tabs, regardless of which application is in each Tab. This would help to
> keep all related documents consistent across applications.
> 
> Thanks in advance for considering these points.

I think that this is the best suggestion on tabs. Would be perfect for mixing report templates that require a combination of WRITER and CALC functions.
Comment 73 Youdontneed Toknow 2012-12-12 19:56:53 UTC
Whaddya mean "trivial"? Tabs in everything have been standard since 2005! Get with the program, freetards! God, your collective smugness is atrocious, I hate open sores but I have to either deal with you peoples' crap or give Microsoft $300 just to send letters. And don't even get me STARTED on that garbage heap Google Documents!! Man, what is WRONG with you people?
Comment 74 Edwin Sharp 2013-12-18 09:14:08 UTC
*** Issue 85382 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 75 Edwin Sharp 2013-12-18 09:15:38 UTC
*** Issue 105538 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 76 Edwin Sharp 2013-12-19 18:51:40 UTC
*** Issue 98279 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 77 xerty 2013-12-20 22:34:41 UTC
Can't believe it's been over 10 years since this was requested. Guess this will never happen at this rate.
Just glad Lotus WordPro from more than 15 years ago which has these is still usable even in Windows 8.
The lack of tabs is why I cannot fully convert over to OOo. Shame.
Comment 78 xerty 2013-12-20 22:56:04 UTC
(In reply to xerty from comment #77)
It looks like some work was done to bring tabs via an extension to OOo in 2008-2010, but then development stopped : https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Tabbed_Windows_Extension_Discussion
It looked like this was getting there. Shame it seemed to just die.
Comment 79 Regina Henschel 2014-01-18 17:17:09 UTC
*** Issue 94865 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 80 fox_llmcem 2014-01-26 14:17:43 UTC
opening individual documents as tabs , it's possible with  microsoft office with the extension OfficeTabs, it was possible with lotus symphony ,with the first version of OpenOffice  (before 4 and 3) , why it's not possible  with the last version of OOo ?
and all webbrowsers  are using this today!
EG
Comment 81 Victor Lefèvre 2014-04-03 15:12:27 UTC
I'm  deeply disappointed that OOo no longer has tabbed browsing. Actually, it's the mean default of OOo. The constant creation of threads asking this feature is the prove of a real neeed. Please guys work on it!
Comment 82 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-29 15:57:00 UTC
*** Issue 109632 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 83 Arnold 2015-03-09 16:59:50 UTC
Appache OpenOffice (AOO) put as many taskbar icon as documents are opened which is annoying (near the other required Taskbar icons) for our daily work, or at home.

Every other software has "tabbing interface" like:
every browsers like Firefox, Chrome
Notepad++
gedit
etc. etc. etc.
so every newer program has "tabbing surface" - why AOO (and Libre Office) is missing from this list?
This "tabbing interface" is a general interface currently. Why the developers of any office tools doesn't want to implement this feature into their software?
What is the barrier?


I would like to ask everybody to encourag the AOO development to implement the OPTIONAL "tabbing interface" into AOO.
Who is the responsible team for this?
Who can encourag them to implement this feature into AOO?


How can I create a survey about this or anything else to give any chance to implement this required feature into AOO (and Libre Office)

Maybe this way required to draw the attention for this important and required feature for the office tools?

Many thanks
Comment 84 Arnold 2015-05-27 21:21:34 UTC
I have created 2 petitions to forve the AOO and LO teams to implement the tabbing interface:


Petition for (optional) “tabbing interface” in Apache OpenOffice and/or Libre Office

http://www.petitions24.com/petition_for_optional_tabbing_interface_in_apache_openoffice 

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/204/055/517/petition-for-optional-tabbing-interface-in-apache-openoffice-andor-libre-office/ 


Please activate you on them. Also please share the links.
Man thanks.
Comment 85 xerty 2016-08-13 18:19:44 UTC
13 years and we are still waiting for this feature ?!?
I am still using Lotus Word Pro due to this feature being missing from OOO
Comment 86 orcmid 2016-08-13 20:05:46 UTC
(In reply to xerty from comment #85)
> 13 years and we are still waiting for this feature ?!?
> I am still using Lotus Word Pro due to this feature being missing from OOO

Petitions and votes are nice.  They don't accomplish much.  

The actual situation is that there are no volunteer developers with the capacity, capability, and will to make this sort of modification, along with the internationalization, QA, documentation, etc., that are also required.

This feature will not be worked on in the foreseeable future.
Comment 87 xerty 2016-08-14 15:53:08 UTC
Thank you for your candour and honesty. Shame to hear that, but such is the situation.
Comment 88 Patricia Shanahan 2016-08-14 20:16:41 UTC
If you happen to know any C++ programmers with some free time, encourage them to volunteer to contribute to AOO and we might be able to do more.
Comment 89 kitchm 2016-10-06 22:27:26 UTC
There appears to be a confusion over this issue.  It appears to me that the thing that is desired is for the Window menu list to link to a tab when an item is selected instead of another window, not a re-write of the whole program.

I cannot understand how this entails a big deal.  Surely there are already places within the code that allows this sort of branching.  No one is asking for another Writer instance, but rather allow Writer to think that a tab is another window.

If, on the other hand, separate program instances are required by the inner workings of Writer for each document (a huge programming flaw IMHO), then it is still only a display issue.  How and where a document is displayed is surely a separate function from the other duties of a word processor.

Perhaps a programmer on the project can explain for us here.

Thanks.
Comment 90 yahkadev 2018-01-12 11:44:33 UTC
Now, it's 2018!

Google Docs, Google Sheets, and Google Slides can all open singly or in multiple instances beside each other in a single instance of a tabbed Chrome browser. The beauty of it!  Only one problem for me now, though.  I can't do OO/LO basic programming on them!

But what if Chrome were an Open Office browser within which I could open OO/LO writer, calc, draw, etc, and still do my macros on them, and so on?  How great!

Here's what is so great about a tabbed system - one click, and you are right where you left another document.  The convenience!  The efficiency!

But I guess that's not the issue.  We all know it would be a great feature.  Who and who are going to step a little back and look and the structure of the open office system or application to see what may be needed, break it up into smaller tasks, and yet smaller sub-tasks that a bigger group of volunteer programmers could work on?

Maybe there are not enough volunteers.  But if one considers all the other less important open office work that has gone on in the past 15 years this issue has been on the front burner, it can only be lack of skill or poor judgment.

I certainly don't have the skill to deal with this issue.  At least for now.  But I feel enough of a commitment to Open Office I've used freely for some years now to learn some new skills and join in helping OO/LO to leap over this embarrassing hurdle that other office suite developers appear to have all easily scaled.

I've just downloaded and am trying to install the open office sdk. Let me see what I can learn about it.  Then, maybe I'll have something else to say on this thread.  But how delighted many like me would be if before then this matter would have been settled.
Comment 91 yahkadev 2018-01-12 12:06:48 UTC
One other thing.  The Google example I gave above gives me another thought.  How about OOO or LOO teaming up with Mozilla Firefox?  Or even gedit or note++ group, if there is enough compatibility?  The combined effort may help break whatever jinx is holding back OO/LO from the tabbed document windows feature.
Comment 92 yahkadev 2018-01-12 12:15:46 UTC
Or maybe, OO/LO could get one or two persons on these other teams to join a brain storming session with them to sort out this matter.
Comment 93 yahkadev 2018-01-12 13:34:01 UTC
Please bear with me as I put my thoughts down as they come.

The work I am doing now needs me to acquire and open to image views of an object imported into two LO writer documents or into two pages of one LO writer document.  Then I analyze both images in real time using basic programming.  I would have to do mouse clicks on the images as part to the processing.  Tabs would be just perfect for the work.

So, this thread got me reviewing the history of Lotus symphony one of the comments mentioned.  Then, I realized my Google Docs example above was apparently predated by IBM with their IBM Connections Docs.  I guess IBM saw the better future of online document processing and dumped Lotus Symphony on Apache Software Foundation.  (Will they also release the source code of IBM Connections Docs to ASF?)

And, truly, to be able to work on one's documents on the go and on any device with some browser, as with Google, beats installing office suite limited to particular devices.  One can even work offline on one's documents, and get back online when one wants.

I believe this new system really tolls the knell over standalone device office applications.

OO/LO now has much catching up to do.  But it could do it with a proactive difference.  Also build in macro programming in the online documents.  And it is back in business.

Now, if tabbed document windows could appear impossible to OO/LO, then what hope is there to catch up with what is in effect online tabbed document windows!?  Yet, OO/LO must achieve this or be left behind.  And added to this, I am asking the group to set the target to launch online tabbed document windows with a macro programming feature as for today's standalone desktop office applications.

Can there not be some fruitful synergy in this direction teaming up with Mozilla?  OO/LO needs their browser while they need the office suite.  Both need each other to survive!  I think so, but stand to be corrected or enlightened.

Thanks.