Issue 20853

Summary: simplify delete caption of picture
Product: Writer Reporter: jmaechtlen <techwriter>
Component: uiAssignee: AOO issues mailing list <issues>
Status: CONFIRMED --- QA Contact:
Severity: Trivial    
Priority: P3 CC: guido.pinkernell, issues, marius.andreiana, max.odendahl, pescetti
Version: OOo 1.1Keywords: oooqa
Target Milestone: ---   
Hardware: PC   
OS: Windows 98   
Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---
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Description jmaechtlen 2003-10-07 21:29:21 UTC
Can select picture, and add caption just fine.
Doesn't seem to be a way to delete it.
Attempts to change the caption using the UI result in additional captions on 
the picture, rather than a single caption of the selected type.
*** also ***
Help has an entry for "deleting a caption" but it leads to "defining a caption"
Comment 1 jmaechtlen 2003-10-07 21:33:01 UTC
Created attachment 10087 [details]
short doc with examples of issue (just added .zip to filename)
Comment 2 utomo99 2003-10-08 04:07:39 UTC
*** Issue 20852 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 3 guido.pinkernell 2003-10-11 22:14:48 UTC
Changing or deleting a caption once it has been inserted is easy once
one understands what OOo does when one does > Insert > Caption ...

Which is simply that OOo puts the graphic (or other items) into a
frame and puts the caption under the graphic but inside the frame.
This actually is described in the Help file "Defining a Caption". So
the simplest thing to edit a caption type is to delete it and reinsert
it; and deleting means to delete the frame but not the graphic. What I
do is cut out the graphic, delete the frame and then reinsert the graphic.

What Help suggests on deleting captions I can´t tell, here the
reporter is right. Although Online Help Index does list a caption
delete help file, it´s not there.

So it´s definitely not a bug. But it may be taken as an enhancement
request for simplifying the delete caption process and, of course,
updating the Help file.

Issue changed to Enhancement, rewritten summary accordingly.
Comment 4 guido.pinkernell 2003-10-12 10:07:10 UTC
Confirmed on Win98 and set to New
Comment 5 Joost Andrae 2003-10-13 15:55:46 UTC
JA->BH: reassigning as enhancement request to you
Comment 6 jmaechtlen 2003-10-13 17:30:05 UTC
The current situation has some negative effects:
If a user is simply pasting a graphic, it is no big deal to cut the 
graphic, edlete the frame, and re-paste the graphic.
However, if a slightly more advanced user chooses to LINK graphics 
rather than simply embedding them-
They must re-browse or re-locate the graphic, place it, perform any 
sizing and placement operations again.
In addition, if the graphic is to be NAMED for reference in the 
document, the naming process must be repeated.
The current situation is suitable for amateurs only!
Comment 7 jmaechtlen 2003-10-20 20:24:40 UTC
difficult/confusing to "change" the numbering options for a graphic 
or frame. Ie: to change from "Illustration" to "figure", to change 
numbering style, etc.
 
Comment 8 Unknown 2003-12-01 22:24:24 UTC
Without wanting to sound melodramitic, I really did try on three 
occasions to sort out this caption thing, without success.  All my 
attempts resulted in multiple captions.  As a GUI programmer, I 
don't consider myself a novice.  I always knew I could cut the 
image, delete the frame and paste but I was convinced that I would 
be able to get to the same caption edit box that I used to create it 
the first place. 
 
Its almost like using file system without a move command; I can 
always use copy+delete but that's not what I'm thinking. 
 
I put this fix into a release sooner than later as it's really easy 
to run into it really early on.  Trust me, I was tearing my hair 
out. 
 
Regards, 
Brendon McLean. 
Comment 9 lars 2004-03-29 20:40:12 UTC
I thought there might have been an option to remove captions somewhere in the 
menus or in a dialogue in OOo 1.1 RC3 (not 1.1.1 RC3), but I cannot find it 
anymore.

Another possibility is to select the image which is captionized and anchoring it 
at page. Thereby it leaves the frame and the frame can be deleted without the 
image being removed. The image gets resized however. (It als leaves its position 
as determined by the images 1,1 pixel but this can be undone by anchoring it at 
paragraph after the frames removal.) Now is this resizing (and movement) a 
defect or is this intendend?

Also, if there is a possibility to remove the caption, this has probably a 
relation to the Frame.
Comment 10 michael.ruess 2004-04-01 08:59:10 UTC
*** Issue 27247 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 11 Andrea Pescetti 2006-03-18 13:35:48 UTC
The problem (i.e., caption cannot be deleted) still exists in OOo 2.0.2.
The suggestion to cut and paste the picture really sounds like a workaround to
most users.
[Confirmed during Italian QA tests]
Comment 12 lars 2008-05-17 16:39:44 UTC
cut and paste the graphic is not a workaround. This's like: oh the app has a 
bug and crashes. Workaround: Write your text anew in Ms Word and paste it into 
OOo Writer. Recommending cutting and pasting graphics on huge documents is a 
joke because of document reflow processes. A MS Word user would cry at you.
Comment 13 lars 2008-05-17 16:40:13 UTC
*** Issue 19190 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 14 bettina.haberer 2010-05-21 15:14:18 UTC
To grep the issues easier via "requirements" I put the issues currently lying on
my owner to the owner "requirements".