Issue 69853

Summary: Auto-indenting from numbered list will not intuitively go away
Product: Writer Reporter: jonduf <jon.dufresne>
Component: editingAssignee: AOO issues mailing list <issues>
Status: CONFIRMED --- QA Contact:
Severity: Trivial    
Priority: P3 CC: issues, jr
Version: OOo 2.0.2Keywords: numbering
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Hardware: All   
OS: All   
Issue Type: DEFECT Latest Confirmation in: ---
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Description jonduf 2006-09-26 02:39:18 UTC
I saw someone struggle with this issue for a good 30 minutes until I showed her
how to format the list to look the way she wanted. Yes, formatting the list is
probably the more correct way to fix this within OO.o, but the fact that she
struggled with this for so long shows that it wasn't intuitive to her.

Here is the issue from the user's point of view.

1) Open OO.o word processor.
2) Type "1. <something>" where <something> is some text.
3) Hit enter.
4) As the user expects OO.o auto-formats the text for a numbered list. What the
user also expects is that she can easily remove that auto-formatting. She does
not like the auto-indenting OO.o does.
5) She selects all the text in the numbering area and toggles the numbering
button on the toolbar. This removes the indentation, but also the numbering.
6) She goes to reinsert the numbering hoping OO.o is smart enough to realize she
doesn't want the auto-formatting this time.
7) When she hits enter at the end of the line, OO.o auto-formats again. By
repeating 5 & 6 she is stuck in an infinite loop trying to get the document the
way she wants.

In this example the auto-formatting features of OO.o hindered productivity.

Now there exists an easy way for the user to fix this. Highlight the numbering
and then Format->Bullets and Numbering...

The user didn't know how to use this until I showed her, but she also figured
the program would be smart enough that if it could figure out she might want
auto-formatting that it should be smart enough to realize when she doesn't want it.

She would have gotten what she wanted much quicker if OO.o worked this way:

1) Open OO.o word processor.
2) Type "1. <something>" where <something> is some text.
3) hit enter.
4) As the user expects OO.o auto-formats the text for a numbered list.
5) The user selects the numbering area and toggles the numbering button.
6) The indenting disappears but the number, as the user originally placed it,
remains.
7) As the user continues with her list it doesn't auto-format at EACH number.

Even though the user didn't use the numbering feature to its full potential she
is happy with her document and she created it quickly without frustration.
Comment 1 michael.ruess 2006-09-26 10:03:32 UTC
You could also remove the indent by placing the cursor at the first position of
the list (right following the "1.") and pressing Shift-Tab.

MRU->OD: I talked with FL about this problem and we came to the conclusion, that
the Autoformat function for numbering should also use the "spacing" algorithm
which is used when clicking the numbering buttons (tabs and space characters at
the beginning of a paragraph are turned into metric values). But with one
exception: if the text begins right at the paragraph's indent, there should NOT
be a default numbering indent added by the Autoformat function.
Comment 2 jr 2009-10-18 20:39:01 UTC
setting keyword "numbering"
Comment 3 Marcus 2017-05-20 11:22:16 UTC
Reset assigne to the default "issues@openoffice.apache.org".