Issue 80387

Summary: Objects with invisible border cannot be selected/moved with mouse
Product: Impress Reporter: raindrops <na1000>
Component: editingAssignee: AOO issues mailing list <issues>
Status: CONFIRMED --- QA Contact:
Severity: Trivial    
Priority: P3 CC: issues, raal, rb.henschel
Version: OOo 2.2.1 RC3Keywords: oooqa
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Hardware: All   
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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT Latest Confirmation in: ---
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Description Flags
Demonstrates how selection is impossible when border/fill color are invisible none

Description raindrops 2007-08-06 18:07:53 UTC
Steps to reproduce:

1. Insert a rectangle. By default it has blue fill-in color and black border.
2. Now move the mouse over its border. Whenever the mouse is not on one of the
six  "handles", the pointer turns into a cross (made of four arrows). You can
click anywhere on/inside the rectangle and move it by dragging it.

3. Now edit the rectangle to make the border invisible. You can still move the
rectangle as before.

4. Now restore the border, and make the fill color invisible. Now you cannot
click inside the rectangle to select it: You have to click near the border to
select and move it.

5. Finally, make both border and the fill color invisible. Although you are
aware where the rectangle is, you cannot pick it with mouse. You can not move it

The only way is to throw (draw) a lasso around the object. But this method is
impossible if you have multiple such invisible text boxes, and you want to
select some particular objects from those. 

(Note that in Impress the Navigator does not help you select the desired
objects, as in case of Writer).

Desired: Although the rectangle is invisible to the naked eye, OOo should be
able to "see it".

Sample is attached.
Comment 1 raindrops 2007-08-06 18:09:23 UTC
Created attachment 47346 [details]
Demonstrates how selection is impossible when border/fill color are invisible
Comment 2 Regina Henschel 2007-08-06 20:09:56 UTC
You can traverse the objects with the tab key.

To see a drawing object in the navigator you have to name it.

It would be nice, if such invisible objects could be caught more easily,
especially if they are created by accident.
Comment 3 christian.guenther 2007-08-07 12:42:57 UTC
It's an enhancement.
Please have a look to cws navorder. In my mind this fix this enhancement.
Comment 4 raindrops 2007-08-07 16:02:48 UTC
Raindrops ->Ragina:

Sorry - None of your observations/workarounds make much sense to me.

@transparency by accident:

When created, the rectangles are NOT transparent. The user has to MAKE them
transparent by changing their properties. Such transparent text finds many uses
in animations, where they are usually kept overlapping on some other image. 

In short, this is NEVER by accident, but by design. 
So Impress MUST be able to handle them.

@using TABs to select a image:

Using TAB is absolutely unworkable solution if you are trying to pick more than
one objects (out of several present on the slide). And even if I am trying to
select just one image, why should I go TAB, TAB, TAB, TAB... till I reach the
desired rectangle? I may easily overshoot may target, in which case I may have
to start all over again!

@naming objects to see them in Navigator:

Why should we have to name objects just to see them in Navigator? That's
needless hard work! After all, we are not getting any benefits by naming them. 

In comparison, in Calc a named range can be used in a formula.
What use does this named rectangle/arrow/image have in Impress?

We are not proposing to turn this into a chess game, are we?
There we have "move White Queen to D4".
Similarly, in Impress we can say "move FIDO (a rectangle that we have lovingly
named) upward by 0.675 cm" :D

OK if you absolutely need the names, let Impress itself provide dummy names. 
(Do not ask the users to do this job.)

An example template is-
Image type + sequence of creation. 
e.g. rect005, arrow024, etc.

Note that Impress automatically gives (arbitrary) names when we apply custom
animation to any object. Apparently it maintains an internal list. Why not show
it in the Navigator?

Allow user to rename these generic names if he wants. (But I guess that only a
few people would ever want to name their rectangles in this whole wide world.)

I can raise enhancement issues if you want..
Comment 5 raindrops 2007-08-10 03:23:41 UTC
Raindrops -> Bettina.

I found that Issue 15297 (which is referred to YOU) actually suggests that
Writer's Navigator should automatically take up the filename of the graphic.

The Impress Navigator too must follow the same logic: 
1. Provide automatic names to all shapes/graphics; and 
2. In case of inserted graphics, put the filename in brackets.

I am raising a separate issue (Issue 80549) for this, as I found no existing
issue for this.