Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Full Text Issue Listing |
Summary: | OO.o does not have a russian dictionary and it is not able to check spelling in russian | ||
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Product: | General | Reporter: | evgenyakuz <evgenyakuz> |
Component: | spell checking | Assignee: | rail_ooo |
Status: | CLOSED NOT_AN_OOO_ISSUE | QA Contact: | issues@lingucomponent <issues> |
Severity: | Trivial | ||
Priority: | P3 | CC: | issues, ooo |
Version: | 3.3.0 or older (OOo) | ||
Target Milestone: | --- | ||
Hardware: | All | ||
OS: | All | ||
Issue Type: | ENHANCEMENT | Latest Confirmation in: | --- |
Developer Difficulty: | --- |
Description
evgenyakuz
2008-02-12 09:10:45 UTC
mh: can you check the licenses of Russian discts ("Russian" and "Russian yo", see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries#Russian_.28Russia.29). The license is not standard but IMHO is suitable for external components: Permission to use, copy, redistribute is granted. Permission to redistribute modifications in patch form is granted. Permission to redistribute binaries made of modified sources is granted. All other rights reserved. set subcomponent Ðа ÑегоднÑшний день руÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð»Ð¾ÐºÐ°Ð»Ð¸Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ñборка OpenOffice.org, Ð²Ñ‹Ð»Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð½Ð° официальном Ñайте, не включает в ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ñловарь руÑÑкого Ñзыка! Таким образом пользователи, Ñкачавшие OpenOffice.org Ñ Ð¾Ñ„Ð¸Ñ†Ð¸Ð°Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñайта или уÑтановившие его Ñ Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ñ‹Ð¼ локализованным (зарубежным) диÑтрибутивом Linux, по умолчанию не имеют работающей проверки руÑÑкого текÑта и вынуждены вручную уÑтанавливать дополнительный Ñловарь. Ðужно отметить, что Ñама процедура ручного Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ÐºÐ»ÑŽÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ€Ñ Ñ‚Ð°ÐºÐ¶Ðµ доÑтупна не вÑем пользователÑм, оÑобенно Ñто каÑаетÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ‚ÐµÐ»ÐµÐ¹, не имеющих большого опыта работы Ñ Linux. Ð’ результате OpenOffice.org (а иногда и Ñвободные Ñ€ÐµÑˆÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð²Ð¾Ð¾Ð±Ñ‰Ðµ) терÑет огромное количеÑтво потенциальных пользователей, которые видÑ, что проверка руÑÑкого текÑта не работает, Ñразу возвращаютÑÑ Ðº Microsoft Office. Ð”Ð»Ñ Ð¸ÑÐ¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð»ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñтой Ñитуации было организовано обращение к разработчикам оÑновной верÑии OpenOffice.org Чтобы поддержать его необходимо: 1.) зарегиÑтрироватьÑÑ Ð½Ð° официальном Ñайте OpenOffice.org: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ€Ð¶Ð´ÐµÐ½Ð¸ÐµÐ¼ региÑтрации по e-mail 2.) залогинившиÑÑŒ на Ñайте, зайти по адреÑу: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/showvotes.cgi?voteon=86034 3.) на Ñтой Ñтранице найти Ñтрочку lingucomponent 86034 OO.o does not have a russian dictionary and it is not able to check spelling in russian и поÑтавить цифру 2 (макÑимальное количеÑтво голоÑов, которое можно отдать в Ñтой категории) в поле напротив. 4.) Ðажать на Submit. * ПожалуйÑта, поÑпоÑобÑтвуйте раÑпроÑтранению Ñтого ÑообщениÑ! ~~~~ Фишгалов Евгений In Gentoo there is system side tools for dictionaries organisation. It is enough to write "eselect oodict set myspell-ru" in command line. I believe, that similar tools are present at all adequate GNU/Linux distribs ------------------------------------------------------------------ С чего Ñто Ñ *должен* тратить трафик и Ð²Ñ€ÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð½Ð° абÑолютно лишние и ненужные мне Ñловари Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¾Ð´Ð½Ð¾Ð¹-единÑтвенной программы? ЕÑли вмеÑто Ñтого Ñ Ð¼Ð¾Ð³Ñƒ воÑпользоватьÑÑ ÑиÑтемными ÑловарÑми доÑтупными Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð²Ñех программ и Ñкомандовать: eselect oodict set myspell-ru Так проиÑходит подключение ÑиÑтемных Ñловарей к openoffice в Gentoo. Я верю, что подобные инÑтрументы приÑутÑтвуют во вÑех адекватных и дружеÑтвенных к пользователю ÑиÑтемах. Ðо еÑли вы Ñчитаете, что Ñловари openoffice вÑÑ‘-таки лучше, то было бы отлично еÑли бы они шли отдельным пакетом Ð´Ð»Ñ Ñ‚ÐµÑ… кто нуждаетÑÑ Ð² них, и не отÑгощали оÑновной пакет Ð´Ð»Ñ Ñ‚ÐµÑ… кому Ñти Ñловари без надобноÑти. Речь идёт об Openoffice под ВИÐДУ http://www.linux.org.ru/view-message.jsp?msgid=2602724&lastmod=1206195697745 фишка в том, что когда пользователь windows незамечает проверки руÑÑкой орфографии, он возвращаетÑÑ Ðº MS Office _________________________________________________ No Russian Spellchecking - >> back to MS Office qmellon, проверка орфографии - одна из базовых функций редактора документов, Ð½Ð°Ð¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð»ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð² первую очередь на борьбу Ñ Ð¾Ð¿ÐµÑ‡Ð°Ñ‚ÐºÐ°Ð¼Ð¸, и еÑли Ð¿Ñ€ÐµÐ´Ð»Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð´Ð»Ñ ÑÐºÐ°Ñ‡Ð¸Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ Ð²ÐµÑ€ÑÐ¸Ñ Ð½Ð°Ð·Ñ‹Ð²Ð°ÐµÑ‚ÑÑ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑкой локализацией, то Ñловарь руÑÑкого Ñзыка в ней быть должен, как включены Ñловари европейÑких Ñзыков в европейÑких локализациÑÑ… OpenOffice.org. Ðапомню также, что ни каких менеджеров пакетов в Windows не ÑущеÑтвует, и Ñ…Ð¾Ñ‚Ñ Ñам Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ð² уÑомнитьÑÑ Ð² её дружеÑтвенноÑти и адекватноÑти, но многие пользователи и потенциальные пользователи OpenOffice.org иÑпользует Ñту ОС, а Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð½ÐµÐºÐ¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ñ‹Ñ… из них OpenOffice.org может Ñтать первой Ñтупенькой Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ð»Ð½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ перехода на Ñвободное ПО. Ð’Ð¸Ð´Ñ Ð¶Ðµ, что проверка орфографии не работает, немногие Ñтанут разбиратьÑÑ Ð¸ мало у кого оÑтанутÑÑ Ñ…Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾ÑˆÐ¸Ðµ Ð²Ð¿ÐµÑ‡Ð°Ñ‚Ð»ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð¾ Ñвободном ПО. > Please add the Russian spell checker in the future build of the OO.o.
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Ðу так Ñделайте подборку Ñловарей Ð´Ð»Ñ Windows, упакуйте в отдельный краÑивый уÑтановщик Ñ Ð²Ñ‹Ð±Ð¾Ñ€Ð¾Ð¼ уÑтанавливаемых Ñловарей и воткните ÑÑылку на Ñтранице ÑкачиваниÑ. qmellon, мне казалоÑÑŒ, что Ñ Ð½Ð¸ как не разработчик ПО. Ð’Ñ‹ идеологичеÑкий противник полноценной работы ванильной верÑии OpenOffice.org? ВозможноÑÑ‚ÑŒ проверки орфографии в руÑÑкой верÑии OpenOffice, ÐºÐ¾Ñ‚Ð¾Ñ€Ð°Ñ Ð¿Ð¾ умолчанию не работает Ñ Ñ€ÑƒÑÑким Ñзыком - Ñто немного Ñтранно. Martin, somehow you was deleted from CC. Please, consider to set the target to 3.0. Adding Pavel in CC as well. Сборка Ñ Ð²Ñтроенным Ñловарём руÑÑкого Ñзыка Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¿Ñ€Ð¾Ð²ÐµÑ€ÐºÐ¸ орфографии как не крути нужна, вÑÑ‘ таки не вÑе наÑтолько грамотные, тем более Ð¿ÐµÑ‡Ð°Ñ‚Ð°Ñ Ð±Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÑˆÐ¸Ðµ текÑÑ‚Ñ‹ в любом текÑтовом редакторе, раÑÑеиваетÑÑ Ð²Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ðµ, и допуÑкаютÑÑ Ð¾Ð¿Ñ‡Ð°Ñ‚ÐºÐ¸, которые и должны подÑвечиватьÑÑ Ð² текÑтовом редакторе, подумайте, ведь Ñто уже Ñтандарт Ð´Ð»Ñ Firefox, PSI и многих других програм... дык почему же в Ñтандартной РУССКОЙ поÑтавке OpenOffice Ñто отÑутÑтвует? и нагрузна в лишних 500кб Ñ Ð´ÑƒÐ¼Ð°ÑŽ не будет Ñтоль обременительной в Ñравнении Ñ Ñамой программой. Please, use English in comments because not all developers understand Russian. ПроÑьба иÑпользовать английÑкий в комментариÑÑ…, Ñ‚.к. не вÑе разработчики понимают руÑÑкий. It's just awfull! Lot's of newbie users have to switch back to MS Offise because they have problems installing a spelling addon. Now it is the most voted OpenOffice.org bug ever, but the Priority is still P3. Is it going to be solved in the next 2.x release? 2 2.4.x is for bugfixes only. 3.0 will have the functionality to provide dictionaries as extensions. I think we plan already to *remove* dictionaries from the instsets and move them to extensions... Will OOo 3.0 be the NEXT release? i am vote for russian language spell checker 2 needfull 2 Please, stop flooding the issue with meaningless comments! it's needed! 10 useless comments. You lost me. What is the point of removing/not having a spellcheck tool in typical install? It doesn't take much space comapred to other resources, and it is an absolutely must-have feature for any text processor. In my opinion, not having an out-of-the-box spellchecker automatically makes OOo second-best compared to MS Word for most users. I guess it's not hard to find an how-to and add a dictionary to OOo (never tried it myself), but the majority of users can't even get to the googling "openoffice russian dictionary" stage. To rail: > can you check the licenses of Russian discts ("Russian" and > "Russian yo" ...). The license is not standard but IMHO is > suitable for external components... We talk about free software. IMHO license can be easy changed for important feature of OO by simple request. To pjanik: > 3.0 will have the functionality to provide dictionaries > as extensions. > I think we plan already to *remove* dictionaries from the instsets and move them > to extensions... (sorry for my bad English) So, the most users will download instset, try spellchecking, surprizing that it does not work, go back to openoffice site, download and install dictionaries, think and say to other people that MS Office is better. Or go back to MS products without trying to solve the problem, as previos commentators sayed. This situation is not hypothesis. I had try to give OO to windows users and it was what they really did/sayed. Ðа ÑегоднÑшний день руÑÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð»Ð¾ÐºÐ°Ð»Ð¸Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ñборка OpenOffice.org, Ð²Ñ‹Ð»Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð°Ñ Ð½Ð° официальном Ñайте, не включает в ÑÐµÐ±Ñ Ñловарь руÑÑкого Ñзыка! Таким образом пользователи, Ñкачавшие OpenOffice.org Ñ Ð¾Ñ„Ð¸Ñ†Ð¸Ð°Ð»ÑŒÐ½Ð¾Ð³Ð¾ Ñайта или уÑтановившие его Ñ Ð»ÑŽÐ±Ñ‹Ð¼ локализованным (зарубежным) диÑтрибутивом Linux, по умолчанию не имеют работающей проверки руÑÑкого текÑта и вынуждены вручную уÑтанавливать дополнительный Ñловарь. Ðужно отметить, что Ñама процедура ручного Ð¿Ð¾Ð´ÐºÐ»ÑŽÑ‡ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ ÑÐ»Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ€Ñ Ñ‚Ð°ÐºÐ¶Ðµ доÑтупна не вÑем пользователÑм, оÑобенно Ñто каÑаетÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÐ·Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ñ‚ÐµÐ»ÐµÐ¹, не имеющих большого опыта работы Ñ Linux. Ð’ результате OpenOffice.org (а иногда и Ñвободные Ñ€ÐµÑˆÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð²Ð¾Ð¾Ð±Ñ‰Ðµ) терÑет огромное количеÑтво потенциальных пользователей, которые видÑ, что проверка руÑÑкого текÑта не работает, Ñразу возвращаютÑÑ Ðº Microsoft Office. Ð”Ð»Ñ Ð¸ÑÐ¿Ñ€Ð°Ð²Ð»ÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñтой Ñитуации было организовано обращение к разработчикам оÑновной верÑии OpenOffice.org Чтобы поддержать его необходимо: 1.) зарегиÑтрироватьÑÑ Ð½Ð° официальном Ñайте OpenOffice.org: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join Ñ Ð¿Ð¾Ð´Ñ‚Ð²ÐµÑ€Ð¶Ð´ÐµÐ½Ð¸ÐµÐ¼ региÑтрации по e-mail 2.) залогинившиÑÑŒ на Ñайте, зайти по адреÑу: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/showvotes.cgi?voteon=86034 3.) на Ñтой Ñтранице найти Ñтрочку lingucomponent 86034 OO.o does not have a russian dictionary and it is not able to check spelling in russian и поÑтавить цифру 2 (макÑимальное количеÑтво голоÑов, которое можно отдать в Ñтой категории) в поле напротив. 4.) Ðажать на Submit. I want to have russian language spell checker in russian OO by default. Pjanik, most of beginner users expect to see russian spell-cheking included in russian localisation by default. Why do you say that 3.0 will have the functionality to provide dictionaries as extensions and russian dictionary won't be included? Is it so hard to include it in russian localisation by default? According to Pavel's information about new packaging policy for 3.0 and paying attention to flashmob (thanks to eugrus?) I resolve this issue as invalid. Closing This issue may be invalid for OO 3.0, but is still very actual for OO 2.x! 2.x is freezed already, see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease24 and http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease241 Flashmob is for fun. But people who voted know what they've voted for and want to see profit. Profit to open source community. Why do you call this petition a "flashmob"? No indifferent man was engaged "just for fun"! Everyone who voted for this bug voted for including Russian dictionary in Russian OpenOffice.org. The petition was published on the biggest Russian Open Source community site. We do not want "to have fun"! We want to have russian dictionary included! Ruefully, the mass action of russian OpenOffice users is called a flashmob. Fellows! All of us use OO, some of us have been making efforts to spread it up untill now. Calling us flashmobbers is an insult of our wholehearted will to improve free software. Speaking for oneself. To rail:
> 2.x is freezed already...
OK, the solution in this case may be done not in OO itself, but by workaround at
site. I think the name of link for downloading russian version of OO should
include warning "spellcheck dictionary is not included" and direct link to this
dictionary near main download link should be.
sergey_feo: good point, done. Ok. Where can we see what is done? on http://ru.openoffice.org/ can't find link to russian dictionaries. Can I have a direct link? It was added to doenload page but not to main page. See http://ru.openoffice.org/about-downloads.html . There is a link to FAQ there. So. Have to follow 3 links. FAQ - Общие вопроÑÑ‹ (General questions) - and the first question is it. the direct is http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%B5:_%D0%A7%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B#.D0.9A.D0.B0.D0.BA_.D1.83.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.B8.D1.82.D1.8C_.D1.80.D1.83.D1.81.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9_.D1.81.D0.BB.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.B0.D1.80.D1.8C_.D0.B4.D0.BB.D1.8F_.D0.BF.D1.80.D0.BE.D0.B2.D0.B5.D1.80.D0.BA.D0.B8_.D0.BE.D1.80.D1.84.D0.BE.D0.B3.D1.80.D0.B0.D1.84.D0.B8.D0.B8.3F I don't like this resolution. ТекÑтовый процеÑÑор без *работающей из каробки* проверки правопиÑÐ°Ð½Ð¸Ñ ÐЕ ÐУЖЕÐ. Допилите, пожалуйÑта! The TextProcessor without *working from the box* spelling tools is not needed. Fix this ASAP. Please! need!!! > Please add the Russian spell checker in the future build of the OO.o.
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+1 нужен и вÑе тут =) We need it! +2 Please. Russian language support is good for us 2 Russian spellcheck is very important for us. If it be, I'll can move out MS Office in my company. Released budget may be spent for bying OO official support. P.S. Punctuanion checking is also needed. Please add the Russian language spellchecking support to OO. It must be out of the box!!! Thx! TL: There are Russian dictionaries that can be downloaded from http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries#Russian_.28Russia.29 I'm not sure why they are not part of the default installation but likely those problems are related to license problems and/or unavailability of the original contributor. But anyway, you can download them from the above page. Hi tl ! You should better listen to the community. -------------------------------------------------------- license problems and/or unavailability of the original contributor -------------------------------------------------------- This is not problem at all, because Russian spell checker is free available for a long time, if it would a case which you mentioned above, than somebody did it sued already. In my opinion russian spell checker should be available per default. Hello, I'm a typical Russian user. When I was child, I spent all time trying to catch a bear on the Red Square. But it always brings my vodka and runed away :(. I hate this bear, it ruined my life. My teacher refuse teach me without vodka :(. And I can't write correctly Russian text. Nowadays I want to write a letter to north pole, but can't. I installed OOo 2.3 on my free (as beer) linux, and type letter, then send it. They laugh on me, they said that I am stupid and make a lot of mistakes :(. Please include russian dictionary :( With best wishes, a typical Russian user. To Rail: thanks for applying solution. IMHO this is the all that we can do in current situation. I hope this will help people to have fun, not exacerbation with OpenOffice. To ill-mannered users: please stop to flood and to disgrace russian people in eyes of all free software community! I want to have russian language spell checker in russian OO by default. Please, add Russian spell-checker by default. @rail, can you please follow the guideline on http://external.openoffice.org/ an open a separate issues for the single dictionaries if there copyright holder and or license a different. since we plan pre bundling of certain dictionaries for certain install sets I still would like to have it legally reviewed. (for English see below) Уважаемые коллеги, приглашаем на руÑÑкоÑзычный форум ÑнтузиаÑтов OpenOffice http://community.i- rs.ru/index.php. Также по возможноÑти проÑим Ñледовать некоторым рекомендациÑм при работе Ñ Ð¢Ñ€Ñкером http://community.i-rs.ru/index.php/topic,577.msg51028.html#msg51028 Dear everybody, please join Russian-speaking OpenOffice community http://community.i- rs.ru/index.php. Черт вазьми... не могу к нему привыкнуть! Ðада убрать черту внизу лиÑта.... как фиг его знает... хоть обратно в Word подовайÑÑ... Wakant@mail.ru напишите плизз как wakant, обратитеÑÑŒ в http://community.i-rs.ru 2 2 2 2 does not have a russian dictionary !! why??? 2 Looking in the code of OOO320 m6: OOo does have a Russian dictionary by default. It is added to Russian or Polish language builds only though. |