Issue 114447 - Numbered lists on "a b c" format do not use Spanish alphabet
Summary: Numbered lists on "a b c" format do not use Spanish alphabet
Status: CLOSED DUPLICATE of issue 71465
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: OOo 3.2.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 2 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Reported: 2010-09-10 22:58 UTC by rgb
Modified: 2017-05-20 10:11 UTC (History)
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Sample document (9.83 KB, text/plain)
2010-09-10 22:59 UTC, rgb
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Description rgb 2010-09-10 22:58:10 UTC
Steps to reproduce the problem:
1- Set the language for a document to Spanish
2- Start a numbered list with more than 15 lines
3- Edit the list properties to change from numbers (1,2,3) to characters (a, b,

After item n comes item o

What should happen:
Because Spanish alphabet have 27 characters with ñ between n and o, the list on
a Spanish document should use the Spanish alphabet.
Comment 1 rgb 2010-09-10 22:59:42 UTC
Created attachment 71643 [details]
Sample document
Comment 2 rgb 2010-09-10 23:05:55 UTC
Ups! I forgot to change the mime type for the sample document... it is displayed
as "plain text" but it is an odt file... sorry.
Comment 3 eric.savary 2010-09-11 21:52:56 UTC
I think this issue is invalid because it  appears that alphabetical numbered
lists are not language specific but script specific (no reference found, just a
consequeence of seeing Latin, Cyrillic, Arabic etc options in the numbering

Spanish uses the latin script, thus the latin alphabet for alphabetical numbered
lists (26 characters).

Plus, it appears that the Spanish alphabet doesn't have 27 but 29 letters:
a, b, c, *ch*, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k, l, *ll*, m, n, *ñ*, o, p, q, r, s, t, u,
v, w, x, y, z

The fact that the 3 extra letters are excluded, that no dichritical letters in
other languages are used tends to confirm that only the latin alphabet should be
Comment 4 eric.savary 2010-09-11 21:53:09 UTC
Comment 5 rgb 2010-09-11 23:46:39 UTC
The "Real Academia Española" eliminated ch and ll from the alphabet at least 20
years ago (they are included as part of c and l, respectively, on the
"diccionario de la real academia española").
Spanish is my native tongue. Even if I cannot find now a clear document (I'm
living now at 15000 kilometers from my old text books), I clearly remember at
school using ñ on alphabetically "numbered" lists...
I'll look more deeply on this later (if I can gather some time), but the problem
is more general: For instance, on Italian j, k, w, x and y are NOT part of the
Comment 6 rgb 2010-11-09 20:21:28 UTC
The "Real academia española", the maximun authority on Spanish language, have a
service to ask linguistic questions here:
(under "consultas lingüisticas"). I finally ask to them the question is it is
proper to use the ñ or not on lists.
In a nutshell (their complete answer, with English translation, at the end of
this message) is:
The use of the ñ is perfectly valid. ch and ll should be avoided because they
are digraphs. If the document must be sent outside Spanish area the
international alphabet is then appropriate, but the user have the right to
select to use the ñ or not. 
In this case, having a new entry on the lists types will be useful
So I'm reopening this issue.

Original text:
En la creación de esquemas o en la ordenación de epígrafes con letras se
prescinde de la ch y la ll precisamente por ser dígrafos o conjuntos de dos
letras. En principio, no hay problema alguno en utilizar la ñ, dado que es una
letra del alfabeto español. Se puede optar por el criterio que prefiera siempre
que este se mantenga coherentemente en todo el trabajo. Ahora bien, si una
publicación va a tener difusión fuera del ámbito español sería preferible
utilizar solo las letras del alfabeto internacional, que no incluye la ñ. 

English translation
In the creation of schemes or arrangements of epigraphs with letters one does
without the ch and the ll precisely for being digraphs or sets of two letters.
In principle, there is no problem in using ñ, because it is a letter of the
Spanish alphabet. It is possible to choose any criterion you prefers providing
that this one is kept coherent in all the work. Now then, if a publication is
going to have diffusion outside of the Spanish area it would be preferable to
use only the letters of the international alphabet, which does not include the

BTW: on a side note, on the last years I had the opportunity to visit several
theatres on the north of Italy (some of them really big, like the auditorium of
Milan conservatory). On all those theatres the rows are "numbered" with
letters... of the Italian alphabet: no trace of j, k, w, x or y.
So I think the problem is not only with Spanish.
Comment 7 eric.savary 2010-11-23 19:43:53 UTC
Reassigned to requirements
Comment 8 1bbflr+8hj7io6nhoxww 2014-02-02 00:54:00 UTC
This seems to be a duplicate of bug 71465.
Comment 9 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-14 19:49:27 UTC
Duplicate per comment 8

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of issue 71465 ***