Issue 124222 - [sidebar] Base point information missing for 'Position and Size'
Summary: [sidebar] Base point information missing for 'Position and Size'
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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Product: Draw
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: 4.0.0
Hardware: All All
: P3 Minor (vote)
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Reported: 2014-02-12 06:06 UTC by Rainer Bielefeld
Modified: 2014-02-13 18:26 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Issue Type: FEATURE
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Mockup (25.60 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.graphics)
2014-02-13 10:19 UTC, Rainer Bielefeld 		no flags Details
Mockup Rev. 2 (33.31 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.graphics)
2014-02-13 10:58 UTC, Rainer Bielefeld 		no flags Details
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Description Rainer Bielefeld 2014-02-12 06:06:39 UTC 
Steps how to reproduce Reproducible with server installation of "AOO 4.1.0-Dev – English UI / German locale - [AOO410m1(Build:9750) - Rev. 1565724 - 2014-02-09]" on German WIN7 Home Premium (64bit)", own separate user profile:

1. Open new Draw document
2. Make visible Sidebar if necessary
3. Draw a smiley
4. Click smiley
5. In sidebar check 'Position and Size'
   > You will see some values, but info to what reference point / base point 
     the position values are related are missing                           :-(
6. Click the small 'More Options' Icon right from 'Position and Size' heading
   > Base point info visible

I don't think that "top left" is some kind of "law of nature". At least an info "Base point: top left" is required.
Comment 1 jolatt 2014-02-13 09:39:11 UTC 
For me the behaviour is o.k.
Default is top left and the sidebar should show only the necessary things. Basepoint doesn't belong to this, IMO.
Comment 2 Rainer Bielefeld 2014-02-13 10:19:51 UTC 
Created attachment 82576 [details]
Mockup

(In reply to jolatt from comment #1)
> Default is top left 

Hi, that might be your experience as an LTR country living experienced Drawing software user.

But a senior citizen in a RTL country who uses an office suite the first time in his life might not think that "Top / Left" is part of general education ;-)

For them I would like to see a little illustration behind the heading similar to that what you see in the mockup. But not the selector we have in the Position and Size dialog.
Comment 3 Rainer Bielefeld 2014-02-13 10:58:19 UTC 
Created attachment 82577 [details]
Mockup Rev. 2

And for rotation the reference base point is "middle". Of course plausible, but IMHO not inevitably to be expected.
Comment 4 Andre 2014-02-13 16:38:57 UTC 
Setting issue type to feature.
Maybe we should start with making sure that reference/base points have good default values for different locales.
Comment 5 jolatt 2014-02-13 18:26:10 UTC 
(In reply to Rainer Bielefeld from comment #2)

> But a senior citizen in a RTL country who uses an office suite the first
> time in his life might not think that "Top / Left" is part of general
> education ;-)
 
Think that such people use mainly the mouse to change a drawing. 
WYSIWIG shows the result in lifetime, so this info isn't essential espacially for a newbie.