Issue 125906 - Incorrect font handling (not all fonts/styles shown and wrong implementation), at least on MacOS with Helvetica Neue
Summary: Incorrect font handling (not all fonts/styles shown and wrong implementation)...
Status: UNCONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: General
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: 4.1.1
Hardware: Mac Mac OS X, all
: P3 Normal (vote)
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Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Reported: 2014-11-26 21:28 UTC by kai_m
Modified: 2014-11-27 12:24 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Result of AOO 4.0.1 and 4.1.1 and Pages 4.3 (289.30 KB, application/pdf)
2014-11-26 21:28 UTC, kai_m
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Example AOO 4.0.1 (10.00 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2014-11-26 21:30 UTC, kai_m
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Example AOO 4.1.1 (24.76 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2014-11-26 21:30 UTC, kai_m
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Example Pages 4.3 (129.32 KB, application/octet-stream)
2014-11-26 21:31 UTC, kai_m
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Result AOO 4.0.1 png (514.94 KB, image/png)
2014-11-26 21:32 UTC, kai_m
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Result AOO 4.1.1 png (450.18 KB, image/png)
2014-11-26 21:32 UTC, kai_m
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Result Pages 4.3 png (324.33 KB, image/png)
2014-11-26 21:33 UTC, kai_m
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Description kai_m 2014-11-26 21:28:49 UTC
Created attachment 84249 [details]
Result of AOO 4.0.1 and 4.1.1 and Pages 4.3

AOO 4.0.1 had 9 errors using "Helvetica Neue"-font on MacOS X 10.9.5
AOO 4.1.1 fixed most of them, but forgot to fix 2 of them.

Tested only on MacOS X 10.9.5, German language

The font set "Helvetica Neue" has 14 fonts/styles. AOO 4.0.1 knows only 12 of them, AOO knows 13.

Refer to the attached PDF (and PNGs) to see the results of AOO 4.0.1, AOO 4.1.1 and Apple Pages 4.3 are shown. 

Font 5, Helvetica Neue Halbfett / Medium is not listed and therefore not useable.
Font 7, Helvetica Neue Condesed Bold is selectable, but uses font 6, Fett / Bold and switches to font 6, Fett / Bold.

Not as important: The names of some fonts should changed to the names stored in the font (location, german) as it was in 4.0.1 (but be aware, in 4.0.1 4 fonts was interchanged!). 

Font 1 UltraLight -> Extrafein
Font 2 Thin -> Extraschmal
Font 3 Light -> Fein
Font 4 Standard -> Normal
Font 5 should be named as: Halbfett
Font 6 Fett -> Fett
Font 7 Condensed Bold -> Schmal, Fett
Font 8 Condensed Black -> Schmal, Sehr fett
Font 9 UltraLight Italic -> Extrafein, Kursiv
Font 10 Thin Italic -> Thin Italic (fault of the names in the font)
Font 11 Light Kursiv -> Fein, Kursiv
Font 12 Kursiv -> Kursiv
Font 13 Medium Italic -> Medium Italic (fault of the names in the font)
Font 14 Fett, Kursiv -> Fett, Kursiv
Comment 1 kai_m 2014-11-26 21:30:22 UTC
Created attachment 84250 [details]
Example AOO 4.0.1
Comment 2 kai_m 2014-11-26 21:30:50 UTC
Created attachment 84251 [details]
Example AOO 4.1.1
Comment 3 kai_m 2014-11-26 21:31:17 UTC
Created attachment 84252 [details]
Example Pages 4.3
Comment 4 kai_m 2014-11-26 21:32:00 UTC
Created attachment 84253 [details]
Result AOO 4.0.1 png
Comment 5 kai_m 2014-11-26 21:32:38 UTC
Created attachment 84254 [details]
Result AOO 4.1.1 png
Comment 6 kai_m 2014-11-26 21:33:08 UTC
Created attachment 84255 [details]
Result Pages 4.3 png
Comment 7 oooforum (fr) 2014-11-27 09:50:45 UTC
(In reply to kai_m from comment #0)
> The font set "Helvetica Neue" has 14 fonts/styles. AOO 4.0.1 knows only 12
> of them, AOO knows 13.
"Helvetica Neue" is a commercial font and not provided by default with AOO.
So, it's difficult reproduce without buying.

Sounds like this old issue 89486
Comment 8 kai_m 2014-11-27 12:22:16 UTC
> "Helvetica Neue" is a commercial font and not provided by default with AOO.

Helvetica Neue is included in MacOS X. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_typefaces_included_with_OS_X

In 10.6 (Lion) and 10.7 (Snow Leopard) there are 11 typefaces.
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202408

In 10.9 (Maverick), using for reporting this issue, there are 14 typefaces:
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201375

In 10.10 (Yosemite) Helvetica Neue becomes to be the system font.

It seems to be necessary, that a developer should have at least MacOS 10.9 (or maybe 10.8 has also 14 typefaces(?)).

> Sounds like this old issue 89486
No, I don't think so. Maybe they have some common problems, but 89486 is talking about other problems.

I think, that someone recognized the problems in 4.0.1 and fixed just a part of them (and worsen the font-naming), and forgot two problems to fix. Because  4.0.1 has 9 errors, 4.1.1 only 2 of them, as described above.

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Note: how the attachments was build:
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Example AOO 4.1.1.odt: written in AOO 4.1.1
Example AOO 4.0.1.odt: opened Example AOO 4.1.1.odt with AOO 4.0.1 and checked the font names in AOO 4.0.1 and changed the font names in the text as they are. (As a result you can see, that in AOO 4.0.1 the fonts 1+2 and 9+10 was interchanged.)
Example Pages 4.3.pages: written in Pages 4.3
Export to PDF within each program version.
Opened the PDFs, exported them to png (to be independent from fonts).
Combined all PDFs to the first attachment.
Comment 9 kai_m 2014-11-27 12:24:18 UTC
(In reply to oooforum from comment #7)
sorry, comment #8 should be a reply to comment #7.