Issue 13791 - Text flowing around table should not require frame
Summary: Text flowing around table should not require frame
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 71 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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: 37741 42230 44201 53996 64496 64590 67434 67552 70947 71160 74001 74047 74214 76138 77212 79927 80833 82423 84716 88165 93242 94037 94511 94965 98031 98294 103018 103550 103849 104449 104450 105488 108101 109262 110639 111068 112933 (view as issue list)
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Blocks: 115768
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Reported: 2003-04-24 22:20 UTC by rabauke
Modified: 2017-05-20 11:22 UTC (History)
14 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Developer Difficulty: ---


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Another example of bad import of doc with table (42.00 KB, application/msword)
2007-01-10 05:41 UTC, hwtan
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Description rabauke 2003-04-24 22:20:36 UTC
Hello everybody!

1. Put text wrapping settings into Table Properties:

While working with OO I cannot get used to the fact that Table Properties lack
settings for text wrapping. From my point of view it is neither user-friendly
nor logical to not be able to set the text wrapping for a table in the table's
properties. Instead what one has to do at the moment is put the table into a
frame and look for text wrapping settings in the frame's properties.

2. Ability to select a row/column or the whole table with just one click.

I think that it is common to format the first ro in a table bold. However to do
this I have to drag the mouse all accross the line in order to select each cell
individually. Same with colum.
It would be useful to be able to point to the side of a row and by clicking be
able to select the whole row. The same for colums, when pointing above or just
below a column.
Adding to that dragging a table to a new position, as well as deleting it at
once would become much more user-friendly, if there was a way to select the
whole table with just one click, e.g. by pointing right next to a corner of it.

Sven
Comment 1 rabauke 2003-06-11 21:05:11 UTC
I split this issue and renamed it to decribe its content more precise.

Text-flow should be set directly in the table's properties without
having to place it in a frame.
Comment 2 eric.savary 2003-06-12 13:50:25 UTC
NEW
Comment 3 eric.savary 2003-06-12 13:57:55 UTC
Reassigned to BH
Comment 4 bettina.haberer 2003-10-20 17:27:12 UTC
Hello Andreas, here is an issue, which fits to the theme 'Tables' for Q.
Comment 5 andreas.martens 2003-12-15 09:35:00 UTC
Yes, it does.
Comment 6 andreas.martens 2004-04-27 16:29:05 UTC
Okay, to select a table and the to insert a text frame is not very user
friendly. But the effort is very high and we don't have the resources to solve
this for OOo2.0
Comment 7 michael.ruess 2004-04-28 15:51:17 UTC
Due to the high effort, floating table is a good thing for "OO later".
Comment 8 michael.ruess 2004-11-24 09:30:37 UTC
*** Issue 37741 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 9 michael.ruess 2005-02-07 10:44:39 UTC
*** Issue 42181 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 10 michael.ruess 2005-02-08 10:17:16 UTC
*** Issue 42230 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 11 michael.ruess 2005-03-14 10:18:57 UTC
*** Issue 44201 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 12 michael.ruess 2005-08-01 11:17:04 UTC
This problem has now also been reported by an external evaluatin project.
Cortrected ome internal flags.
Comment 13 michael.ruess 2005-08-31 08:17:18 UTC
*** Issue 53996 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 14 lohmaier 2005-09-14 19:33:14 UTC
*** Issue 53996 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 15 michael.ruess 2006-01-11 10:09:46 UTC
*** Issue 60346 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 16 atdsm 2006-04-20 21:04:22 UTC
*** Issue 30477 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 17 atdsm 2006-04-20 21:07:31 UTC
*** Issue 64496 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 18 atdsm 2006-04-20 21:09:35 UTC
Issue 30477 is not actually a duplicate of this issue. That was my mistake; it
has been corrected in issue 30477. My apologies.

Steve
Comment 19 michael.ruess 2006-04-21 08:30:46 UTC
*** Issue 64590 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 20 michael.ruess 2006-07-17 11:03:58 UTC
*** Issue 67434 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 21 michael.ruess 2006-07-20 10:56:54 UTC
*** Issue 67552 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 22 michael.ruess 2006-10-27 14:55:05 UTC
*** Issue 70947 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 23 michael.ruess 2006-11-06 08:50:21 UTC
*** Issue 71160 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 24 michael.ruess 2006-11-06 10:38:50 UTC
*** Issue 71160 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 25 hwtan 2007-01-10 05:41:43 UTC
Created attachment 42052 [details]
Another example of bad import of doc with table
Comment 26 hwtan 2007-01-10 05:42:47 UTC
I just attached another bad import of MS doc with table. I suppose is the same
issue.
Comment 27 michael.ruess 2007-01-30 10:07:49 UTC
*** Issue 74001 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 28 michael.ruess 2007-01-31 13:02:23 UTC
*** Issue 74047 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 29 michael.ruess 2007-02-06 12:49:52 UTC
*** Issue 74214 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 30 rabauke 2007-02-06 16:03:04 UTC
18 duplicates and fouryears since this _bug_ (even if issue-type tells 
something different) was filed. Two years since it was reported "by an 
external evaluation project" as a problem, i.e not enhancement.

But still the target milestone is on OO Later? How many more duplicates does 
it need to increase the priority from "fix within 5 years or never" to 2.2?
Comment 31 michael.ruess 2007-04-10 09:41:21 UTC
*** Issue 76138 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 32 michael.ruess 2007-05-11 11:33:00 UTC
*** Issue 77212 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 33 michael.ruess 2007-07-24 08:33:01 UTC
*** Issue 79927 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 34 michael.ruess 2007-08-20 10:42:56 UTC
*** Issue 80833 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 35 michael.ruess 2007-08-20 10:57:18 UTC
*** Issue 80833 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 36 michael.ruess 2007-10-09 10:01:02 UTC
*** Issue 82423 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 37 michael.ruess 2007-12-18 15:40:08 UTC
*** Issue 84716 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 38 kpalagin 2008-01-21 09:27:55 UTC
Andreas,
just looking at the list of duplicates scares me - 25 issues.

What are the plans for this enhancement?

Regards,
Kirill Palagin.
Comment 39 michael.ruess 2008-04-29 14:49:22 UTC
*** Issue 88165 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 40 michael.ruess 2008-08-29 12:37:57 UTC
*** Issue 93242 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 41 michael.ruess 2008-09-18 15:02:24 UTC
*** Issue 94037 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 42 michael.ruess 2008-10-01 11:27:38 UTC
*** Issue 94511 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 43 michael.ruess 2008-10-17 15:41:16 UTC
*** Issue 94965 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 44 tonyaker 2009-01-05 16:47:28 UTC
We have run across this issue in OOo 3.0 as well. When converting a document
from MS Word to Writer which contains a table which has the Text wrapping
property set to: "Around" the layout in Writer is all messed up. It displays two
tables which should be one below the other on top of each other.

Could we get the issue information updated to at least reflect the affected
versions of OOo and possibly also upgrade this from an enhancement to a defect
or a higher priority? 

Although creating frames is a workaround for people who create new documents I'm
trying to get my company to migrate to OOo and all of our documents are in MS
Word format. For us having the formatting of a lot of our documents messed up if
we want to migrate to OOo is definitely a defect.
Comment 45 tonyaker 2009-01-05 16:54:41 UTC
One last thing I forgot to add is that whether or not text wrapping around a
table does or doesn't require frames is not actually the issue for me, however
getting documents properly converted from MS Word format is (however that is
handled). I've just tagged my comment on to here since I saw similar incidents
with conversions were all being closed as duplicates of this one.
Comment 46 andreas.martens 2009-01-06 11:38:54 UTC
Status of this issue: 
Soory to say this, but AFAIK nobody is currently working on this issue. Nobody
implements this feature and the developers working on import/export are working
on other issues/problems.
I cannot see into the future so I cannot state when somebody will start
implementation but volunteers are welcome, of course!
Comment 47 michael.ruess 2009-01-13 15:47:15 UTC
*** Issue 98031 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 48 michael.ruess 2009-01-20 22:01:50 UTC
*** Issue 98294 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 49 drichard 2009-01-21 13:05:17 UTC
CC Add for myself.  A agree with the comments; this makes OOo look badly to our
users when they receive documents from other agencies.  Our document is a
newsletter that is received every month.  Our support staff has to open it in MS
Office, export it to PDF and then send that to the user. 
Comment 50 michael.ruess 2009-06-23 10:33:43 UTC
*** Issue 103018 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 51 hwdooo 2009-06-23 18:13:14 UTC
a lot of duplicates and no progress.
Maybe it´s an enhancement but from a user´s point of view it´s an annoying bug,
when "around" formatted word documents look pretty weird after an import into
writer.
In almost every migration scenario users will face this import problem and
minimizing any interoperability problems should be a priority objective.
Comment 52 michael.ruess 2009-07-15 08:29:39 UTC
*** Issue 103550 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 53 chemtech 2009-07-28 04:51:12 UTC
This issue is still present in OOo-Dev_DEV300_m53_Win32Intel version.
Comment 54 cno 2009-07-28 04:55:08 UTC
that is correct, since Target==OOo later
and of course it is a pity, since we would want things going faster ..
Comment 55 michael.ruess 2009-07-28 08:39:02 UTC
*** Issue 103849 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 56 michael.ruess 2009-08-24 12:10:48 UTC
*** Issue 104449 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 57 michael.ruess 2009-08-24 12:24:37 UTC
*** Issue 104450 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 58 michael.ruess 2009-09-30 22:19:40 UTC
*** Issue 105488 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 59 meywer 2009-09-30 23:37:43 UTC
Summary should contain word wrap, because this is how it is called in OO menus...

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A solution could be a faster possibility to put a frame around a table:

When you rightclick on a picture, then caption, it will be created a frame
around the picture (and the caption). 

When you then rightclick the frame, you can choose frame - wrap - several wrappings.

When you rightclick a table, you can choose caption too.
But this unfortunately doesn't create a caption around the table ...

So one doesn't get the possibility to make text wrapping around the table (or
one has to create a frame manually).

Please change this. Captions of tables should be like captions of pictures
inside frames.
So an empty caption would create just a frame around the table. (Would be great,
if automatically an empty caption would have a fontsize of just 1 (or 2) p.)
Comment 60 meywer 2009-09-30 23:41:31 UTC
Well - it would be a solution only for small tables (but that would already help),
see issue 7911
Comment 61 belote13 2009-10-12 19:31:00 UTC
Is it possible that OOo move around table because more speed for work move 
largeur and longueur very fast. So we 'll be create specific table .
Sorry for my englich langage.
Comment 62 michael.ruess 2010-01-06 09:51:03 UTC
*** Issue 108101 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 63 tonyaker 2010-01-06 10:09:01 UTC
I'd like to report that since my last comment about a year ago the
implementation of OOo in our (10.000+ employee) company has been backed out and
we've reverted back to using MS office. Also donations to OOo I had lined up
have been cancelled by upper management all because of this issue.

I have great respect for all the volunteers working hard on the OOo project,
however I also wanted to point out that the effect of this bug has gone beyond
user experience and has cost the project quite a large sum in donations.
Comment 64 jbf.faure 2010-01-07 04:53:56 UTC
@ tonyaker: Instead of waiting and if this enhancement is so important to you ,
you could use this money to pay a developer to implement. Remember:
OpenOffice.org is open-source.
Comment 65 tonyaker 2010-01-07 14:16:25 UTC
@jbfaure: Unfortunately we don't do software development as a company and it is
much easier to get management to commit a set amount of money as a donation than
it is to get them to commit an unknown amount of money for an activity which
isn't our core business (especially something which apparently wasn't able to be
solved in the last seven years by the opensource community, which makes me
believe it's not going to be a simple solution)

The only reason I left the comment was to point out the importance of this bug
and maybe get it solved for other people. It has become irrelevant for me since
OOo is completely off the table for us. 
Comment 66 redflagzhulihua 2010-01-08 01:55:13 UTC
I think this IS a annoy issue for the users who have to open MS documents, and
unfortunately, MS format document is used very widely. I don't think the issue
should be set to OOo later.
Comment 67 michael.ruess 2010-02-15 08:54:32 UTC
*** Issue 109262 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 68 joolsr 2010-02-15 09:32:28 UTC
The status now says 'started', is this really true? After 7 years watching this
one, I hope it can be fixed soon.

@tonyaker - I'm sorry to hear of your problems with OOo. We moved to it 3 years
ago, and we get the odd moan and groan about it, but most staff are fairly happy
with it. I have encountered this particular bug a few times, but not as many as
I thought. 

If you're able to interchange docs as PDF, or as ODT, or change the original
templates, OOo is much happier. If you always have to work just with MS type
files, it will be harder for you ...
Comment 69 kpalagin 2010-03-04 19:05:55 UTC
Andreas,
please consider this highly voted issue for 3.3 or 3.4.
Thanks a lot for your attention!
Comment 70 andreas.martens 2010-03-05 10:07:52 UTC
Unfortunately this feature is not easily to implement so I cant foresee when
will achieved. Of course any volunteer will be welcome!
Comment 71 michael.ruess 2010-04-06 10:55:10 UTC
*** Issue 110639 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 72 michael.ruess 2010-04-22 14:54:34 UTC
*** Issue 111068 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 73 michael.ruess 2010-07-05 15:36:43 UTC
*** Issue 112933 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 74 cedric.bosdonnat.ooo 2010-07-08 10:02:30 UTC
me as cc
Comment 75 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2011-09-22 07:01:46 UTC
add me on cc
Comment 76 Marcus 2017-05-20 11:22:40 UTC
Reset assigne to the default "issues@openoffice.apache.org".