Issue 14487 - Allow Editing Sub-Documents of a Master-Document and Save Changes
Summary: Allow Editing Sub-Documents of a Master-Document and Save Changes
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: editing (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1
Hardware: PC All
: P3 Trivial with 4 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Keywords: rfe_eval_ok, usability
: 18506 54103 96048 110080 (view as issue list)
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Reported: 2003-05-15 15:44 UTC by Unknown
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:38 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description Unknown 2003-05-15 15:44:04 UTC
OpenOffice Writer should allow editing of Sub-Documents within the Master-
Document.  I know that you can unprotect a sub-document, and edit the sub-
document in the Master-Document, but the change are not saved back into the 
sub-document.  Therefore, the changes are lost when you do an update.

This feature is necessary in situations where many people are working on the 
overall document at the same time, with different people editing the sub-
documents.  It is nice to be able to edit the sub-document within the master-
document since you have access to bookmarks in the other sub-documents at that 
time, for example.  Without this feature, you have to open each sub-document, 
and manually type in bookmark references from other documents which is time-
consuming and very error-prone.

This is something that you can do in Microsoft Word.
Comment 1 h.ilter 2003-07-04 13:53:38 UTC
Reassigned to BH
Comment 2 Unknown 2003-07-24 14:36:46 UTC
This is a must have, or I need to switch back to Microsoft Word.  It 
is very difficult to work in subdocuments as you can't access or see 
bookmarks in other sub-documents without working in the master 
document.  However, if you work in the master document, your changes 
are not saved back to the sub-documents.
Comment 3 rblackeagle 2003-07-24 22:33:02 UTC
Is the problem one with lost references between sub-documents?  Why
don't other users have access to the sub-documents?
Comment 4 Unknown 2003-08-25 14:47:02 UTC
You can open the sub-documents and edit them with no problem.  The 
problem is that you cannot edit all of the documents at the same 
time "inside" the master document when the master document is open. 

The reason it is necessary to be able to edit the sub-documents 
within the master document is so that you can setup bookmarks 
between the various sub-documents.  Otherwise, you have to keep 
manually tabulated lists of the bookmarks in other sub-documents.  
When you edit a sub-document by itself, it can't "see" the other sub-
documents.  Only when you have the master document open can sub-
documents see all of the rest of the entire document, but you can't 
edit the sub-documents "inside" the master document.

What needs to happen is to have the master document be able to edit 
the sub-documents when viewed in the master document.  When you hit 
save, the master document would update all of the sub-documents with 
the changes you made.

One benefit is that you are able to edit the document as if it was a 
large, single text document instead of multiple sub-documents.  In a 
multi-user environment using a source management system (such as 
SourceSafe or CVS), people can work in the main document, but only 
edit those sub-documents they have checked out. (i.e. marked read-
only).  

Hope this helps.
Comment 5 rblackeagle 2003-08-26 03:00:47 UTC
As described this would solve several problems with Master Documents.
 For one thing, most users of MD's have a strong need for references
between sub-documents, so that, even if their positions are reordered,
the references remain correct.  The other is something like global
editing or global find/replace.

I like the idea of "editing" an MD somewhat like keeping revisions in
a file and having a "save" amount to "accept all changes" applied to
each document.  I realize this would require opening, changing and
reclosing each document, so the shut-down time for a MD would be
rather long, but it would surely be handy.  (To keep users from being
bored, a message box could say "File <ABC> being updated." as it goes
along.

I certainly do NOT see this as a potential 1.1 change, though. 
Probably more like 2.1 or something similar.
Comment 6 bettina.haberer 2003-11-12 14:28:30 UTC
For OO.o 2.0 it is not planned to change the sub-/master-document
handling, but it is worth rethinking about the concept.
Comment 7 sgautier.ooo 2004-09-12 11:58:03 UTC
reassigning & adding keywords according to new RFE process - sophie - 
Comment 8 eric.savary 2008-11-19 01:51:17 UTC
*** Issue 96048 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 9 sgautier.ooo 2009-07-20 10:41:16 UTC
*** Issue 18506 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 10 eric.savary 2010-03-17 20:20:16 UTC
*** Issue 54103 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 11 eric.savary 2010-03-17 20:35:38 UTC
*** Issue 110080 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 12 lars.nooden 2010-03-17 20:44:44 UTC
Ok.  If this is a 'design' problem, then giving the user some kind of warning
dialog might be a low cost work-around.  

For example, if the master document is edited, then upon saving, the dire
consequences are explained or instructions on how to save the changes should be
given.  

Or upon opening and selecting the choice 'updating links' the user should be
presented with a dire warning that the data in the Master document is newer than
the data in the link... or something like that.  
Comment 13 lars.nooden 2010-03-17 21:00:26 UTC
from issue 18506

rblackeagle : This is a suggestion for, perhaps, a post-2.0 version,but one I think would be
very welcome by most users of MD's:

Let us edit files directly in the Master Document.  One way to achieve this is
to "edit" a document and have the program open the file for editing and then
save when finished "Click here when finished editing this file." and
automatically update that selection.

This preserves the integrity (and functionality) of the MD while allowing it to
be handled a bit more "as if" it were a single document.
------- Additional comments from sba Mon Sep 8 16:32:49 +0000 2003 -------

SBA: Reassigned to Bettina from the User Experience team for consideration.
------- Additional comments from rblackeagle Fri Mar 5 18:31:52 +0000 2004 -------

Any idea if this is likely to be accepted?
------- Additional comments from ace_dent Fri May 16 01:10:58 +0000 2008 -------

OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker - Feedback Request.

The Issue you raised is currently 'Unconfirmed' pending review, but has not been
updated within the last 3 years. Please consider re-testing with one of the
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Many thanks,
Andrew
 
Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues as part of:
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Comment 14 lars.nooden 2010-03-17 21:02:09 UTC
from 54103:

vogella : Hello,

It is possible to remove the write protection of the subdocuments in a 
masterdocument but changes to the subdocuments are not saved. 

Example: Unzip the attachment. Open the masterdocument, update the links. Go 
anywhere in the document. Double-click on the right button of the OO 
application on the read-only description. Remove the write protection. Change 
something, save and re-open -> Still the old test is shown.

Best regards, Lars
------- Additional comments from vogella Thu Sep 1 12:06:04 +0000 2005 -------

Created an attachment (id=29246)
Zip file with masterdocument
------- Additional comments from mru Thu Sep 1 12:22:09 +0000 2005 -------

Reassigned to ES.
------- Additional comments from es Thu Sep 1 13:09:52 +0000 2005 -------

This is one of the limits of the OOo master document concept.
Sub documents are integrated as linked section in the master document. Link
sections or only "1 way" data relations, meaning you can change the content of
the source doc to show in the terget doc but you cannot update from the target
doc to the source.

This is one of the enhancement we'll have to bring to the masterdocument concept.
------- Additional comments from ace_dent Fri May 16 00:41:51 +0000 2008 -------

OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker - Feedback Request.

The Issue you raised is currently assigned to 'Requirements' pending review, but
has not been updated within the last 2+ years. Please consider re-testing with
one of the latest versions of OOo, as the problem(s) may have already been
addressed. Either use the recent stable version:
http://download.openoffice.org/index.html
or consider trying the new OOo 3 BETA (still in testing):
http://download.openoffice.org/3.0beta/
 
Please report back the outcome so this Issue may be Closed or Progressed as
necessary - otherwise it may be Resolved as Invalid in the future. You may also
wish to search for (and note) any duplicates of this Issue that may have
advanced further by checking the Issue Tracker:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/query.cgi
 
Many thanks,
Andrew
 
Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues as part of:
~ The Grand Bug Squash, pre v3 ~
http://marketing.openoffice.org/3.0/announcementbeta.html