Issue 14725 - Allow page numbers to include text before and after the number
Summary: Allow page numbers to include text before and after the number
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 2 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
QA Contact:
Keywords: oooqa
Depends on:
Reported: 2003-05-22 01:46 UTC by aaronforjesus
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:38 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

See Also:
Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---

demonstration of page numbers for appendices and attachments (12.64 KB, application/octet-stream)
2003-09-10 17:48 UTC, aaronforjesus
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Updated mockup with the "Remember Settings" button (277.47 KB, image/jpeg)
2004-04-29 15:37 UTC, aaronforjesus
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example file, not entirely ODF compliant. Can be opened with OOo 2.1 though. (107.17 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2007-03-04 18:28 UTC, Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56)
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The PDF OOo 2.2.0 generated of the previous attached file (190.46 KB, application/pdf)
2007-03-04 18:30 UTC, Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56)
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another version of the example document (21.71 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2007-03-06 09:59 UTC, Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56)
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Test doc used in testing 53420 (covers part of 14725 as well) (77.56 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2008-02-18 17:26 UTC, Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56)
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Screenshot pagenumbering via Sections in InDesign (CS2) (64.99 KB, text/plain)
2009-02-12 09:36 UTC, mikeymikemike
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Description aaronforjesus 2003-05-22 01:46:17 UTC
This feature is to help facilitate the use of in creating
documents for use by the US government and its contractors. US government
documents use a specific page numbering scheme:

table of contents:     i, ii, iii...
body:                  1, 2, 3...
appendix:              A-1, A-2, A-3...
attachment:            1-1, 1-2, 1-3...

OO.o Writer supports the TOC and body numbering, but fails when it comes to
creating appendix and attachment page numbers automatically. The request is to
allow page numbers to include text before and after the number similar to
Outline numbering used for paragraph numbers in headers. A table of contents
would then include the page number in the format of A-1, for example instead of
being limited to just the number token such as would occur if a person manually
typed the "A-" before the page number field in a footer, for example. This
capability is available on Broadvision Interleaf and Quicksilver, but few other
word processors. This would allow Writer to replace the above word processors
and others used heavily for creating government documents.
Comment 1 stefan.baltzer 2003-09-08 17:32:33 UTC
SBA: Reassigned to Bettina from the User Experience team for consideration.
Comment 2 aaronforjesus 2003-09-10 17:48:24 UTC
Created attachment 9182 [details]
demonstration of page numbers for appendices and attachments
Comment 3 lohmaier 2003-09-13 00:09:42 UTC
Workaround for documents where all appenices share a single
page-number prefix:
Add "A-" (without the qoutes) right in front of the page-number (#) to
the Entries-Tab of the "Edit Index/Table" dialog.

(Does not work for your attaced document though since Appenix B is
numbered B-# while Appendix A is numbered A-#...)

Anyway: confirming.
Comment 4 bettina.haberer 2003-10-20 17:38:06 UTC
Hello Andreas, is there a chance to get this enhancement implemented
in the Q?
Comment 5 andreas.martens 2004-01-21 14:20:16 UTC
No, a solution would be to allow different outline numberings, that's a lot of
OS supposed another workaround: If you don't need more than let's say 4 outline
numbering level in your main document, you could use "heading 5", "heading 6"
etc. as outline numbering for the index. You could misuse these sublevels for
the headings of the index, give them the wished numbering (A,B,C..), ndents and
so on.
Comment 6 aaronforjesus 2004-02-19 15:53:45 UTC
Ama's solution would work for small documents, and I considered that already.
The reason that I opened this feature request was because it would not work for
the large documents that I handle (with MS Word, currently using a cludge of
manually typing the appendix letter in front of the page number manually,
something that does not permit). They can run up to 1000 pages
and have 7 heading levels, with over 12 appendices and attachments.
Comment 7 rblackeagle 2004-02-19 20:24:19 UTC
I agree that there needs to be some way of having "Appendix A" and appropriate
page numbers in the TOC (sometimes Appendices are intentionally numbered
separately from the main text).  At present there is no way to do that.  The
problem with attachments is exactly the same issue.  It is especially critical
in works large or complicated enough to require a Master Document format, but
the inability to do it at all except manually is quite a defect.
Comment 8 aaronforjesus 2004-04-29 15:37:36 UTC
Created attachment 14878 [details]
Updated mockup with the "Remember Settings" button
Comment 9 aaronforjesus 2004-04-29 15:42:52 UTC
Ignore the mockup. That was supposed to be for issue #28481. For some reason
when submitting it to 28481, it switched to this issue :-|
Comment 10 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2007-01-09 10:35:53 UTC
There exists a workaround for such special page numbering in a page header or
page footer.

In the page header/footer insert the page number field. Before this field type
your separator "-", Before the separator insert a chapter field with format
chapter number without separator (menu Insert - Fields - Other, on pane Document
choose type chapter and format "chapter number without separator" and hit the
Insert button.
Comment 11 aaronforjesus 2007-01-09 17:25:21 UTC
Sounds good, except it does not show up in a table of contents, which is what
most large documents that would need this feature would also have. This issue is
a companion of  Issue 48487, where there would be different Outline Numbering
based on page style.
Comment 12 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2007-02-23 17:08:05 UTC
cc myself
Comment 13 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2007-03-01 06:38:58 UTC
There exist issue 53420 to enhance the indexes, especially the TOC, to include a
chapter number of a chosen outline level.
I think, the provided workaround - see my comment from 2007-01-09 - for the page
numbers in page header and page footer solves your intrinsic problem. The
implementation of issue 52420 will solve your remaining problem with the TOC.
Thus, I think, we can close this issue.
Is this OK for you?
Comment 14 aaronforjesus 2007-03-02 22:05:24 UTC
Being the reporter of Issue 53420, I discovered why Issue 53420 would not work,
and why this issue is more important. See my comments from Tue Sep 6 18:51:27
+0000 2005 on why it would not work. I believe that this issue is the real
solution, whereas Issue 53420 was a kludgy work-around. I even recommended that
Issue 53420 be closed, because it would not solve the problem. In other words, I
need page numbers that might be independent from the Chapter number.
Comment 15 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2007-03-04 18:26:10 UTC
The file I'm going to attach is a prototype built from scratch using OOo 2.1,
keeping as a model the file provided in desc3 above.

The indexes were generated with a prototype version of OOo (of the 2.3 codeline)
I'm using as a prototype for issue 53420 and other similar stuff for indexes.
I edited the two TOC manually to accommodate the request, so this is not a
definite solution, only a workaround.

The document structure is consistent with a good PDF generation, e.g. the
outline of the document chapters is consistent.
I'm going to provide the resulting PDF as well, generated using OOo 2.2.0rc.

-> aaronforjesus, Can you have a look to see if this is the result you are
looking for?
Comment 16 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2007-03-04 18:28:41 UTC
Created attachment 43517 [details]
example file, not entirely ODF compliant. Can be opened with OOo 2.1 though.
Comment 17 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2007-03-04 18:30:05 UTC
Created attachment 43518 [details]
The PDF OOo 2.2.0 generated of the previous attached file
Comment 18 aaronforjesus 2007-03-05 18:19:12 UTC
That definitely looks like what Ich am looking for. If this can be done, it can
be a good stop-gap measure.
Comment 19 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2007-03-06 09:57:35 UTC
-> aaronforjesus. Glad I worked it out correctly.

Now I'm going to attach another version of the same document, but with index
generated mainly the way you used in issue 14725, desc3 above and with the OOo
version I described in issue 14725, desc16 above (there I forgot to mention that
it's an OOo m204 tag patched with the stuff posted to issue 53420, desc12).

This document version exports a PDF file with incomplete Acrobat Reader bookmark
pane (the appendix are missing there), due to the fact that currently the PDF
export filter generates somehow the bookmark pane from the document outline.

This new attached document is meant for discussion on the
list as well.

In any case I think that the first proposed solution is the better one, even
though it's not fully automatic.
Comment 20 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2007-03-06 09:59:22 UTC
Created attachment 43537 [details]
another version of the example document
Comment 21 aaronforjesus 2008-02-15 23:01:55 UTC
Here is one requirement for this numbering style: 
MIL-STD-38784, on page 16 for an Appendix.
Comment 22 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2008-02-16 08:25:37 UTC
-> aaronforjesus. Thanks for the pointer. I'll have a look to see if the
document format described in the pointed to MIL-STD can be described with the
current OOo development codeline (3.0 codeline).

By the way, what exactly do you mean when in #desc15 above you talk about 'I
need page numbers that might be independent from the Chapter number' ? Do you
mean something like 'Appendix A-2' standing for 'page 2 of appendix A' or
something else?
Comment 23 aaronforjesus 2008-02-18 15:35:16 UTC
In other words, an appendix headings could be:

A.1 Text for heading 1
A.1.1 Text for heading 2
A.1.1.1 Text for heading 3

However, the page numbers need to be A-1, A-2, A-3, not A.1-1, A.1-2, A.1-3
(using a chapter header based on a Heading 1).

The TOC then would be:

A.1 Text for heading 1.................A-1
A.1.1 Text for heading 2...............A-1
A.1.1.1 Text for heading 3.............A-2

Issue 53420 looketh like it would give me:

A.1 Text for heading 1...............A.1-1
A.1.1 Text for heading 2...........A.1.1-1
A.1.1.1 Text for heading 3.......A.1.1.1-2
Comment 24 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2008-02-18 17:24:17 UTC
-> aaronforjesus. The Writer document I'm going to attach is an example document
created with the current solution for issue 53420.
Actually it solves other issues regarding chapter numbering in indexes, not only
53420 alone.

If you wish and if you can spare time, you'll find here:

a test version of OOo 2.3.1.
You can install it to play with this new feature (though it's still incomplete ATM).
Please read the page there before installing.
If you need assistance with that OOo version, write to me privately.
Comment 25 Giuseppe Castagno (aka beppec56) 2008-02-18 17:26:56 UTC
Created attachment 51575 [details]
Test doc used in testing 53420 (covers part of 14725 as well)
Comment 26 aaronforjesus 2008-02-19 16:50:54 UTC
It will be a while ere Ich can test it. Ich have dial-up internet at home, and
my work doth not allow downloads of software.
Comment 27 mikeymikemike 2009-02-12 09:34:34 UTC
Could the following be a solution to this problem?: 
Create pagination for sections; and let sections become the meta-level for

Sections could separate the types of text.
Section TOC: i, ii, iii
Section Body: 1,2,3 ...
Section Appendix: A-1, A-2, A-3...

Changes in text (addition or substraction) in Section Body would only affect the
pagenumbering within that section.

Levels for Headings would still be used in the way > The location of the heading
is only affected by the Section in which it is embedded. In TOC pagenumber of
section would be shown.

If user has no sections created > "Standard Section" is automatically used for
whole document by Writer > ordinary users would feel no difference in working
with OOo.


This way of working would be similar to that of Adobe's InDesign. See screenshot
(of InDesign CS2). I have missed this feature in OOo. 
Note for screenshot: in InDesign you can create page-Masters and drag&drop them.
This is similar to Writers use of Page Styles. In InDesign you can add a section
to a Pagemaster (section-start is shown with a small black triangle on top of
the page). Each section can have its own pagenumber style (1-2-3;i-ii-iii etc). 

It would be nice if there would be a similar GUI in Writer to InDesign which
shows an overview of all assigned pagestyles with their respective pagenumbers.
I would like it especially for having an overview of the locations of my
landscape pages in my portrait oriented document. 
Comment 28 mikeymikemike 2009-02-12 09:36:51 UTC
Created attachment 60116 [details]
Screenshot pagenumbering via Sections in InDesign (CS2)
Comment 29 bettina.haberer 2010-05-21 14:45:18 UTC
To grep the issues easier via "requirements" I put the issues currently lying on
my owner to the owner "requirements".