Issue 16745 - Make creating a booklet WYSIWYG
Summary: Make creating a booklet WYSIWYG
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: editing (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1 RC
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 5 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
QA Contact:
Keywords: oooqa, rfe_eval_ok, usability
: 46455 52893 (view as issue list)
Depends on:
Reported: 2003-07-12 14:52 UTC by sg3235
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:38 UTC (History)
1 user (show)

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Description sg3235 2003-07-12 14:52:29 UTC
I looked for booklet in issues and found issue #5217 and issue #10796, both
of which are resolved as WORKSFORME.  Both of these issues describe the desire
for booklet printing and both explain how to go about getting.  However, the
solution is to get booklet format by shrinking the page down from 8.5 x 11 in
portrait mode to something that fits on half a 8.5x11 page in Landscape.

Although I was excited to see that I can create a booklet, there are several
usability problems.  The obvious one is that it isn't easy to find.  Searching
for booklet in help yields nothing.  After finding the above two issues, I found
that the print option is brochure.  Although the functionality seems very
similar, I tend to think of brochures as 1 sheet of paper, whereas a booklet can
be multiple sheets.  I think that the difference is important in terms of the
enhancement I am requesting.

The second usability problem is the user can't see what the output will look
like until it is printed because the solution is to shrink the print so that it
will fit.  Print Preview does not even show what the pages will look like
because the functionality is not applied until it is being sent to the printer.
 Therefore, the user must create the page using enlarged graphics and font
sizes, print in brochure mode (remembering to change the print settings to
Landscape) and then look at the output before they know whether or not the
brochure/booklet is viewable.  Changing the page size using the format menu
option doesn't work because it doesn't stop the print functionality from shrinking.

The enhancement, then is to make creating a booklet/brochure part of the
formatting prior to printing.  For a booklet, the page dimensions should be
changed so that it fits on half a page, but while editing, the document flows
from page to page as it does today.  The print mechanism would automatically
order and print the "half" pages so that the pages can be arranged and folded
into a book.  However, a brochure would be easier to visualize if there were two
pages with columns set up where the text flowed from one column to another
column in the order that makes sense for the brochure.  When I have created
brochures in the past using open office, I have simply set up text frames in the
columns where I wanted the information to be.

My kids have had to create mini books for school projects and, not knowing about
the brochure setting, it has been really painful to try and get the pages to
layout the way that I wanted.  Having only played with the brochure setting, I
can see where although the setup would be easier, usability could still be improved.
Comment 1 h.ilter 2003-07-16 10:09:49 UTC
Reassigned to BH
Comment 2 lohmaier 2003-07-27 11:38:43 UTC
Confirming, setting target-milestone...
In short:
When doing a booklet print, there should be no need to create the
document in a scaled-up way for the document to look as expected when
shrinked down by the booklet-print option.
(for details please see origninal description)
Comment 3 bettina.haberer 2003-10-15 16:03:49 UTC
Yes, it is not very usable. As it is no keyfeature for 'Q', we take it
for 'Office later'.
Comment 4 lohmaier 2004-10-23 15:57:17 UTC
resetting prio, setting keywords, reassigning according to new RFE-process
Comment 5 lohmaier 2005-08-04 18:58:14 UTC
*** Issue 52893 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 6 lohmaier 2005-08-24 18:48:21 UTC
*** Issue 46455 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 7 ralfg 2010-11-03 21:42:21 UTC
For teachers, it would be very economic (and ecologically sensible),
if you could print two pages per sheet (half size, landscape). 

As I understand this issue, this is exactly what is suggested as "booklet".

Now, I have to export to PDF and use the kpdf print dialogue to enable
the multiple pages print mode.

Even more tricky to achieve is another use case that is common for teachers:

I need 30 copies of a sheet, but to save paper, I decide to print 15 papers in
"booklet mode". This includes cloning a page so I can fill a landscape sheet
with the downscaled sheet.

Recently I cloned a page manually, and as a result, there were missing lines on
every 2nd page. I (and many teachers) would appreciate a feature added tp the
printer dialogue like:

Page selection: (here you could state a list of pages, also 1,1 to clone p.1)
Print mode: single page | two pages per sheet

Please ask, if my explanations are ambigues in any way.