Issue 19557 - menu: File->New is very difficult to select when...
Summary: menu: File->New is very difficult to select when...
Alias: None
Product: ui
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1 RC4
Hardware: PC Linux, all
: P3 Trivial with 1 vote (vote)
Target Milestone: AOO PleaseHelp
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Keywords: oooqa, usability
Depends on:
Blocks: 30610 30615
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Reported: 2003-09-14 10:23 UTC by gregjohnson
Modified: 2013-02-07 22:17 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Suggested Template & Document Dialog mockup (25.54 KB, image/jpeg)
2003-09-18 01:08 UTC, gregjohnson
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Description gregjohnson 2003-09-14 10:23:08 UTC
When selecting File->New, width of dialog is determined by the length of most
recently used file names.
When these names are long, the dialog is very wide making it very difficult to
select File->New, or Autopilot, Send, Templates etc

This is not a problem with commands that pop up a seperate dialog, eg Save
As..., Open..., Export..., Properties...

To make 2nd level options for New, Autopilot, Send, Templates etc easier & more
accurately selectable by reducing mouse travel, especially when mru filenames
are log, pop up a seperate dialog.
Comment 1 pavel 2003-09-14 15:20:45 UTC
Comment 2 utomo99 2003-09-15 04:03:30 UTC
Yes, I suggest, we can add
New Text documents below new in file menu of Text
New Spreadsheet documents below new in file menu of calc
Comment 3 pavel 2003-09-15 07:10:13 UTC
I do not think this should be implemented. If it is, the menu is about
20cm... Not an option.
Comment 4 gregjohnson 2003-09-18 01:07:42 UTC
hi guys,
a related issue is the artificial & confusing distinction between New 
(Text|Spreadsheet|Drawing|etc) and New Templates & Documents.

New (Text|Spreadsheet|etc) should simply be instances of the Template 
& Document class.

Have a look at ms word file->new... for comparison. Advantage of OOo 
is that you can get a New "Anything" from what ever app you are in, 
and the "Set default" command is just what you want to make any 
template/document the default "New Spreadsheet" (better than ms who 
insist that the default text doc is always called "normal"), but ms 
has a more consistent approach to File->New... & Templates.

File->New pops up the Templates & Documents dialog.
The Templates & Documents dialog is re-worked slightly as follows:
* the left hand navigation panel is either made a tree or some other 
hierarchial ui element, with the top level items being Templates, My 
Documents, Samples.
* 2nd level elements are managed as per the current Organise & 
Template Management dialog
* Items from "New Document" are moved to "Templates->Default"
* On entering the Template & Documents dialog, focus is set to 
Templates->Default, showing items from the old "New Document" item, 
ie Business Cards, Drawing, Formula, Labels, Master Document, 
Presentation, Spreadsheet, Text Document"

This removes the current confusion between "new simple documents" & 
new "templates & documents" & gives access to the deafult simple 
documents with one click.

I will attach a mock up of the proposal.

greg johnson
Comment 5 gregjohnson 2003-09-18 01:08:45 UTC
Created attachment 9434 [details]
Suggested Template & Document Dialog mockup
Comment 6 utomo99 2003-09-19 05:33:08 UTC
I think we must make easier to access what people need to use many times. 

Open> new is one of the recent things people use. 

Maybe good solution need to wait til 2.0, but for  amoment we need to
find solution for this. 
1. add 1 new menu 
New Text documents below new in file menu of OOo Writer
New Spreadsheet documents below new in file menu of OOo calc
This is only additional one menu for each application, so it will not
add so much things in the menu length. 
2. Limiting the file name length in the file menu recent list. the
limit must be decided so it still easy to read. 

other improvements i think need to be in 2.0 

Comment 7 stefan.baltzer 2003-09-22 14:49:28 UTC
SBA: Reassigned to Bettina Haberer from the User Experience team for
Comment 8 bettina.haberer 2003-11-13 14:08:12 UTC
Hello Matthias, as you are working on restructuring some menu, please
take over this ease of use issue. Thank you.
Comment 9 matthias.mueller-prove 2003-11-19 16:34:13 UTC
Hi Mathias, this one fits to our brief discussion a moment ago.
Comment 10 Mathias_Bauer 2004-04-30 13:46:47 UTC
Carsten, please make an estimation of the effort for this issue.
Comment 11 carsten.driesner 2004-05-04 06:23:18 UTC
CD: A recent file list which is part of a sub menu can be implemented using the
new popup menu controller feature. I think this can be done within 1-2 days.
Comment 12 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-05-19 09:36:30 UTC
MMP will provide a spec that says, "let's make a sub-menu"
Comment 13 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-06-03 12:42:41 UTC
Comment 14 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-06-18 13:03:31 UTC
spec started at
Comment 15 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-06-21 14:33:22 UTC
Comment 16 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-06-21 14:35:18 UTC
Comment 17 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-06-23 11:52:26 UTC
shortened summary
Comment 18 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-06-23 12:07:53 UTC
spec is approved by iTeam:
Comment 19 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-07-12 09:08:59 UTC
created 2 IMPL tasks.  i31348 is to implement the menu changes (submenu and new
item order in File menu) and i31349 to implement the functionality changes of
the PickList as decribed in the spec
Comment 20 matthias.mueller-prove 2004-09-03 15:15:20 UTC
sub tasks for OOo2 done.
This root task moves on to OOoLater.
Comment 21 matthias.mueller-prove 2009-09-06 10:57:27 UTC
I am no longer officially active on OOo. Please take over.