Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 25993
borders in Writer not deletable
Last modified: 2004-03-18 15:54:25 UTC
Hi, Borders in Writer can't always be deleted. Sometimes, like in the attached document there is just no way to delete them. In paragraph>borders> line style=none doesn't work, nor does setting the border under Line arrangement "user defined" nor does the Default with no border. The border just goes one line up, or does other strange stuff. Sometimes there appear lines in various parts of the document when the formating is changed. But it all boils down to not being able to delete the border. To reproduce: in the attached document try to delete the border below the yellow marked paragraph. It will just jump one line up.
Created attachment 13509 [details] document where border doesn't work
Created attachment 13511 [details] Try to apply style Heading 3 to line in the middle -> a border appears, but style Heading 3 has no border defined
in the above document a border appears when any heading style is applied to a paragraph. It too is not deletable and appears whenever any Heading in the whole document is applied.
Your border is a hard formatting and therefore has priority over the style which you choose in the stylist. Up to now for consecutive paragraphs with the same border the border is not shown between those paragraphs. In your file not only the yellow paragraph has a border but also the paragraphs before it. So you must remove the border not only in the yellow paragraph but also in the other paragraphs which has a border. The same problem can appear with simple horizontal lines.
I see. But now the problem becomes more confusing. There are now two problems: 1. In the original text where I copy-pasted these lines from. I did not introduce borders in all previous lines. They suddenly surfaced after I inserted a horizontal line. But maybe I inserted a line and then went on writing and the border was invisibly carried along until at some strange moment the problem appeared. 2. How do I delete them? They are invisible! In the example "border.sxw" only one border appears (Line 4) there are no borders below (line > 4) but in every line above (lines <=4). If I select line <= 4 and go to Paragraph>border then I can indeed delete the visible and invisible borders, because in every line of the selection there is a border (visible or not). However If I select all lines (1-6) and then go to paragraph>border no border shows up. If I nevertheless select: Line Arrangement: Set no border (the quick-box with no border) then nothing happens (same when line style set to none). The borders on the lines <=4 do not disappear. In fact nothing happens only because the selection contains a line with no border. So what can I do? I cannot select the whole doc and remove all borders as there are some paragraphs within that have no border and the problem described in 2. appears. For the same reason I cannot select parts of the doc and there remove all borders. The only solution is: to select a single paragraph and then go to paragraph>border have a look if it contains an invisible border, deselect it and do so for every line in my doc. This is not really workable. As the document where this happened is not intended for publishing, I will live with horizontal lines in my doc. But I guess it must be pretty ennerving if strange borders appear in your doc and you are not able to delete them nor understand how they appear... In short that borders are invisible is IMHO a bug, or do I miss a point here? What are they for? Also that I cannot select to delete any border as done in 2. when a sinlge paragraph in the selection has no border but all others have, is IMHO also a bug or a missing feature.As in the spreadsheet program borders that exist in some paragraphs but not others should appear shaded, and one should be able to remove/change them for the whole selection.
To get rid of the borders all together, mark them and than use formatmenu or contextmenu: (1) choose "default", which will delete _all_ hard formatting or (2) choose "Paragaph" tab "Borders" and delete them. If you have catched in addition a paragraph, which has no border, than first apply a new border to them all and then directly with the same marking once more go to "Borders" and delete them. It is not really a bug, have a look on issue 17758 and issue 23118. You will see, that some work is going on to improve the behavior of OOo.
Hi, Thank you for the tips, it is a workaround and works for me. I also had a look at 17758. That's the same problem I had it just surfaced differently in my case. I want to say that this feature caused me a lot of trouble and confused me no end - and I consider myself not a beginner of oo. It is simply not transparent and whenever you make a line and then insert text above then invisible lines appear in the text. I do understand the concept and what this feature is meant to be, but I think it doesn't achieve what it is supposed to do. It is good to hear that the feature can be disabled in the next version of oo. Thank you for your quick help. I was now able to remove the lines in my text. *** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 17758 ***
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