Issue 36535 - Impossible to enter non italic greek characters
Summary: Impossible to enter non italic greek characters
Alias: None
Product: Math
Classification: Application
Component: code (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1.3
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: frank.loehmann
QA Contact: issues@sw
Depends on:
Reported: 2004-11-02 16:52 UTC by rgb
Modified: 2012-11-07 14:58 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Developer Difficulty: ---

An example of issue 36535 (9.21 KB, application/vnd.sun.xml.writer)
2004-11-02 17:03 UTC, rgb
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Description rgb 2004-11-02 16:52:37 UTC
There is no way to put a non italic greek character in math. For example,
nitalic %GAMMA
gives the same result of
Comment 1 rgb 2004-11-02 17:03:15 UTC
Created attachment 18850 [details]
An example of issue 36535
Comment 2 Regina Henschel 2004-11-02 21:06:27 UTC
The character which is inserted by %gamma is a spezial character out of the
'Private Use Area' of the font. It has typeface "standard" but the glyph looks
like an italic typeface. Because the typeface is already "standard" a 'nitalic'
attibute has no effect. You can use a greek character out of the "Basic Greek"
subset of a normal font. But you have to insert it via clipboard, because the
normal 'Special Character Dialog' is not available inside Math Command Window.
Comment 3 thomas.lange 2004-11-15 09:33:08 UTC
TL->IH: That's a font issue.
As one can see by using
  %GAMMA  nitalic %GAMMA
 gamma character displayed the character displayed by %GAMMA is the non italic
one, the other is even much more slanted.

The characters are exactly as they were in the old StarMath font. Even if the
font was not italic those characters in there were. It's probably an error that
should have been corrected.

TL->rgb: To work around this you can simply redefine all the greek characters to
use a different font with a correct character display. It needs to be done for
each single character though.
Comment 4 nospam 2004-11-15 09:51:09 UTC
IH: We did not change anything in the fonts so it should still work. I do not
know what to do there now? Additional to that we have no possibility to change
the StarSymbol font for StarOffice (we do not have the license to do this). I
can change the OpenSymbol font, but I think it is not good if OpenSymbol and
StarSymbol are different.
Comment 5 thomas.lange 2004-11-15 15:11:02 UTC
TL->IH: As discussed please put some comments about what is possible and what is
not in here and then hand it over to User Experience.
Comment 6 nospam 2004-11-15 15:26:38 UTC
IH->User Experience: The solution for this problem is to use a font that
contains greek characters. We have those characters in the standard StarOffice
fonts but not in OpenOffice's Bitstream fonts. Is it possible to include fonts
with a wider unicode range into OpenOffice? 
Comment 7 frank.loehmann 2004-11-16 09:22:25 UTC
FL->Ilko: I have talked with Tom and he said that you have build the font. Could
you please overtake this issue. Thank you!
Comment 8 nospam 2004-11-17 08:15:07 UTC
IH->FL: Sorry, but you have not read my comments in this task. It is no solution
for the problem if I change the OpenSymbol font, because we can not change the
Symbol font for SO that is StarSymbol. Thomas Lange suggested to use the greek
chars of on of the other fonts we ship with the product. This will easlily work
with SO but not with OOo, because OOo's fonts do not have the greek chars. This
is the reason why I ask marketing/user exp. for a solution here. You can also
handle this over to Erwin T. if you think he is the right person for this task.
Comment 9 frank.loehmann 2004-11-17 11:11:10 UTC
FL: Ups I thought that IH was Ingrid and not you :-). As discussed, the solution
proposed by TL is to introduce a new font delivered with SO _and_ OOo.
FL->LHO: Please decide if we want to introduce such a new font, containing the
missing (style of) Greek characters.
Comment 10 rgb 2008-05-16 10:50:47 UTC
Any news?
Comment 11 nospam 2008-05-20 16:56:45 UTC
IH@FL: any new ideas here ?
Comment 12 nmailhot 2008-07-25 13:17:04 UTC
DejaVu includes Greek
Comment 13 nmailhot 2008-11-12 10:11:31 UTC
Also greek != math in unicode and the STIX project has made add a
lot of math-specific codepoints
Comment 14 Regina Henschel 2011-01-03 14:26:21 UTC
In OOo3.3 two Greek symbol sets are available, one for regular characters and
one for italic character.