Issue 4062 - Remove ENVELOPE from a document is not inuitive
Summary: Remove ENVELOPE from a document is not inuitive
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.0.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 2 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Keywords: oooqa
: 7481 (view as issue list)
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Reported: 2002-04-15 20:51 UTC by lpb
Modified: 2013-02-07 22:38 UTC (History)
5 users (show)

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Description lpb 2002-04-15 20:51:48 UTC
I am unable to figure out how to remove an ENVELOPE from a document once
inserted. I have removed all the text and frames but am unable to remove the
page. I have made visible all hidden text and fields.

I have searched the mailing list and have posted a query, with no response.
Comment 1 lpb 2002-09-03 21:04:32 UTC
Any update on this issue?
Comment 2 prgmgr 2002-09-06 03:22:41 UTC
Luigi, please consider taking a look at my comments in issue 7481.
Comment 3 prgmgr 2002-09-06 03:23:01 UTC
*** Issue 7481 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 4 stefan.baltzer 2002-09-17 15:26:03 UTC
The envelope is only a page style with some pre-positioned text frames
(sender and address). To "remove" it, choose another page style while
having the cursor on that page. Then you may delete the text frames
and the page break that got inserted (look for the thin blue line on
top of a page - the page break is in the first paragraph of that page).

This is not a bug. Closed.
Comment 5 lpb 2002-09-17 16:52:50 UTC
Hi Stefan,

I think this is still a valid Enhancement request.

I think the problem I am having with this task is that the integration
of Envelopes with Documents is half-finished. The first part,
inserting or changing the Envelope, has been implemented quite
impressively; it is gratifyingly easy to create an Envelope or change
its layout for a new printer. I don't have to know that in the
background, OpenOffice is creating a new page layout, adding a new
page, and putting custom fields on. All that is done for me, even on
an update.

I would assert that removing an Envelope should be just as transparent
to the user. I should not have to know the details of how an Envelope
works in order to be able to remove it. In particular, your workaround
below would stop working if the OpenOffice developers chose to
implement Envelopes as something new: an embedded sub-Document? a
built-in macro or type? Then, you would have to explain all over again
(in the Documentation? a FAQ?) how to get rid of an Envelope.

Please make removing an Envelope as easy as it is to create or change it.
Comment 6 stefan.baltzer 2002-09-18 17:35:15 UTC
Changed title (old title: "Unable to remove ENVELOPE from a document")
to "Remove ENVELOPE from a document is not inuitive"

Reassigned to Christian.
Comment 7 bulbul 2002-11-29 04:10:28 UTC
Please change platform and OS to "all". I have filed issue 9660 to
request that the current method for removing an envelope be documented
in help.
Comment 8 christian.jansen 2003-02-11 16:22:06 UTC
Reassigned to Bettina.
Comment 9 scarr 2003-02-26 04:05:57 UTC
I have added a new FAQ to the system.  You can find it, here:

This is a request from issue #9660.  Is this OK?
Comment 10 lpb 2003-02-26 16:07:31 UTC
I like the FAQ and think it's a good stopgap until the functionality
requested in this RFE is complete. I'm especially happy that it
mentions that work is ongoing to make this an intuitive operation.

In the meantime, until that work is complete, I think this issue
should remain open. Thanks!
Comment 11 ace_dent 2008-05-16 02:41:05 UTC Issue Tracker - Feedback Request.

The Issue you raised has the status 'New' pending further action, but has not
been updated within the last 4 years. Please consider re-testing with one of the
latest versions of OOo, as the problem(s) may have already been addressed.
Either use the recent stable version:
or consider trying the new OOo 3 BETA (still in testing):
Please report back the outcome so this Issue may be Closed or Progressed as
necessary - otherwise it may be Resolved as Invalid in the future. You may also
wish to search for (and note) any duplicates of this Issue that may have
advanced further by checking the Issue Tracker:
Many thanks,
Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues as part of:
~ The Grand Bug Squash, pre v3 ~
Comment 12 ace_dent 2008-06-02 17:59:14 UTC
Please consider re-testing with one of the latest versions of OOo and providing
an update / further information. Cheers.

Lowering Issue priority...

P2 - Marks severe problems which affect a significant number of customers.
Issues with this priority must be fixed before the target release ... and should
be dealt with as soon as possible. Not fixing them for the target release is not
Comment 13 lpb 2008-06-02 19:59:00 UTC
This is still a problem:

1. The URL
does not work.
2. The in-program help does not explain this (v2.3). I do understand the help is
slated for v2.4.
3. In any case, if someone creates a document, adds an envelope, then changes
their mind and wants the envelope (or envelopes) separate, removing the envelope
from the first document is painful and un-intuitive at best.

If the process for removing an envelope from a document is deterministic then
it's not clear why the "Insert > Envelope" path can't add a "Remove" button if
an envelope already exists on the document.
Comment 14 bettina.haberer 2010-05-21 14:43:28 UTC
To grep the issues easier via "requirements" I put the issues currently lying on
my owner to the owner "requirements".