Issue 46457 - Usability: defining spacing above / below paragraph by points
Summary: Usability: defining spacing above / below paragraph by points
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Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: formatting (show other issues)
Version: 680m87
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 3 votes (vote)
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Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Keywords: oooqa, usability
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Reported: 2005-04-01 08:19 UTC by edbe
Modified: 2013-02-07 22:42 UTC (History)
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Description edbe 2005-04-01 08:19:57 UTC
For everyone coming from MS Word there is one annoying thing. When formatting a
paragraph the units are the same as for the layout measurements (margins etc.).
MS Word uses points (only for spacing paragraphs!) which is much more
convenient. I've been using StarOffice and OpenOffice for 5 years and still use
points for spacing (but never use it for the layout). That's why I know you can
define the value in points when you add "pt" after the measuement. Don't expect
a normal user (or one switching from MS Word) to know that. Points should be the
default unit for spacing between paragraphs (but never for layout measurements
like margins). It's a serious usability issue. I suggest to get this fixed
before the final release of OO 2.0. 

You could do even better than MS. In MS Word clicking the arrow for spacing
makes the figure jump by 6 which too much for me. 1 is too low. But jumping by 3
points would be best for 98% (or more) of the users (a guess of mine). This
would give you one (small) point in usability against MS Word.

By the way similar issues are mentioned in the bugs #24138 and #43003.
Comment 1 michael.ruess 2005-04-01 08:41:49 UTC
Reassigned to requirements
Comment 2 aziem 2005-10-14 18:53:05 UTC
 +oooqa, +usability

 Some other programs allow typing any measurement unit into text fields, so
"3pt" or "0.04in" or "1mm" would be allowed.  I don't remember whether the
program retains the typed measurement unit or converts it some standard unit.
Comment 3 jondoe 2005-10-14 19:30:17 UTC
OOo seems to handle typing in measurements manually similarly to the way that MS
Word does (units are accepted as typed, but converted to default unit when
displayed).  The only difference is that MS Word will retain the measurement as
typed if you tab from one field to another; OOo converts it to global unit
immediately.  Both show default unit (always pt for line spacing in Word) after
accepting changes and coming back to select a different formatting option.

I did notice one difference that I've reported as a separate issue (#56029). 
The line spacing is restricted to 283.5 pts or 10 cm.  I doubt that many people
would have a problem with that, but it is a defect of the program as compared to
MS Word.
Comment 4 ace_dent 2008-05-16 01:42:50 UTC Issue Tracker - Feedback Request.

The Issue you raised is currently assigned to 'Requirements' pending review, but
has not been updated within the last 2+ years. Please consider re-testing with
one of the latest versions of OOo, as the problem(s) may have already been
addressed. Either use the recent stable version:
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Comment 5 jondoe 2008-05-17 19:50:23 UTC
It is possible to manually type in a measurement unit, but a typographical
measurement would still be preferable for this case, especially since it isn't
obvious that it is possible to enter a different unit.