Issue 49126 - need to add Asian text font preview to "Format/Character" dialog
Summary: need to add Asian text font preview to "Format/Character" dialog
Alias: None
Product: General
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: current
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 5 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: AOO Later
Assignee: requirements
QA Contact: issues@framework
Keywords: oooqa
Depends on:
Reported: 2005-05-12 07:18 UTC by
Modified: 2009-10-08 03:17 UTC (History)
7 users (show)

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font dialog has no preview for Asian text font (20.32 KB, image/png)
2005-05-30 16:58 UTC,
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screenie showing cjk in format-character dialog (18.82 KB, image/png)
2005-05-30 17:26 UTC, ulf.stroehler
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screenshot showing progress (88.46 KB, image/png)
2007-01-21 15:34 UTC, Rainer Bielefeld
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screenshots showing current abilities (163.10 KB, application/
2007-01-22 12:29 UTC, Rainer Bielefeld
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Description 2005-05-12 07:19:01 UTC
There is no way to preview selected font for asian text.

How to reproduce,

1. Open writer.
2. Go to 'Tools > Option > Language Settings > Language'.
3. Enable 'Enabled for Asian Languages' checkbox.
4. Go to 'Format > Character'.
5. Confirm no preview for selected Asian text font.
Comment 1 mci 2005-05-12 07:41:04 UTC
reassigned to us

mci -> us: 
Hi us, this is your area, please take over
Comment 2 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 13:30:26 UTC
dupe to issue 49653.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 49653 ***
Comment 3 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 13:31:18 UTC
Closing dupe.
Comment 4 2005-05-30 16:56:20 UTC

This is not dupe of 49653. Please read the description carefully. I meant _no
preview_ in _font dialog_.
Comment 5 2005-05-30 16:58:37 UTC
Created attachment 26691 [details]
font dialog has no preview for Asian text font
Comment 6 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 17:25:04 UTC
Try selecting some korean text before opening the dialog.
Comment 7 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 17:26:45 UTC
Created attachment 26694 [details]
screenie showing cjk in format-character dialog
Comment 8 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 17:28:27 UTC
Closing invalid.
Comment 9 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 17:28:58 UTC
As promised.
Comment 10 2005-05-30 18:11:04 UTC

(Please forgve me for reopening this issue.)

Thanks for the quick answer. I just recognized that the dialog shows selected
text as preview. It is good way to preview asian fonts, but it might be
inconvinient to select some text before opening the dialog.

It appears to me that the dialog shows western text font name as preview text if
there is no selected text. Also, the preview text changes whenever the selected
font changes. It would be nice if we can extend this logic to asian text font.
My suggestion is to use 'western text font name + asian text font name' as
preview text when there is no selected text and asian language option is
enabled. If you don't think my suggestion is invalid, please assign this issue
to me. I will try it myself. Also, it would be appreciated if you tell me in
which file the dialog is implemented.
Comment 11 ulf.stroehler 2005-05-30 18:34:02 UTC
Admitedly Format/Character dialog may not be convenient for CJK users.

If no text is highlighted in the application the dialog will use the name of the
western font as preview text (also for the CJK font setting which is not the
best solution).

Transferring to UserExperience team.
Comment 12 2005-05-30 18:59:56 UTC
thanks for your quick answer. :-)
Comment 13 hambak 2005-10-26 05:34:46 UTC
It might avoid confusion to simply displaying the font name in Latin letters
and, next to it, in the script the font is intended for.
Another possibility would be to display a few Han characters. Depending on the
characters selected, this can give the user information on the font. A few examples:
1. A few characters that look different depending on regional standards or
personal preference could be selected to quickly show the user how any
particular font renders them, e.g. the character æ¼¢. To give another example: If
通, åŠ and/or 雪 were among the characters to be displayed in the preview by
default, you could know whether the font is suited for Korean by looking at the
strokes' number, direction and length. Characters with as many regionally
different appearances as possible (Chinese mainland / Japan / Korea / Taiwan)
seem especially suitable to show which regional variant(s) the font includes and
how it renders it/them, a kana character could be included to show if the font
includes kana, etc.
2. Including rare characters would quickly show the user whether they are
supported by the font. They could be displayed starting on the left with
not-so-rare characters that most fonts cover, and progressing to the right with
characters that are missing in many fonts (obscure characters, regional variants
or characters that tend to be used only within a certain region), like ç¾…, é„•,
畵 or possibly 盧.
I hope I have shown that, if the characters are selected well, only a handful of
characters (that might even fit behind the font name) could quickly reveal a lot
of information about each font to the user and help him pick one that covers all
characters s/he needs, in the shape s/he wants them to appear. (Automatically
getting a list of installed fonts that cover all Chinese characters occurring in
a document would be great, too.) This might help to prevent misprints until
issue 54944 is fixed.
On the other hand, having seemingly random characters appear in the preview
might prove too confusing to the user.
Comment 14 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-21 15:33:15 UTC
I checked with "2.0.2  German version WIN XP: [680m5(Build9011)]" and still saw
this undone, but with "2.1.0  German version WIN XP: [680m6(Build9095)]" I saw
the correct preview for Asian fonts.

Anyone who can confirm that progress?
Comment 15 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-21 15:34:51 UTC
Created attachment 42359 [details]
screenshot showing progress
Comment 16 2007-01-21 20:20:15 UTC
Hi rainerbielefeld,

Let me reopen this issue. When the dialog is opened with selected text, it works
fine. It appears to me that your screenshot shows this case. However, when the
dialog is opened _with no text selected_, it shows western text preview only -
no preview for Asian font selection. This issue is about the latter case.

Comment 17 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-22 06:01:43 UTC
With what version did you check that? I can cno confirm your observation with
"2.1.0  German version WIN XP: [680m6(Build9095)]" 
Comment 18 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-22 06:45:43 UTC
Argh, and now I can confirm your observation every time I try - strange thing.
Thank you for your attention!

Nevertheless I close this issue, because the the enhancement request has been
fulfilled (as it seems, inadvertently), and reopen new  Issue 73720 for that DEFECT.
Comment 19 2007-01-22 10:11:41 UTC

I still want to keep this issue. :-)

Actually, my request is very simple - let's change the dialog so that it shows
western font name with western font _plus_ asian font name with asian font, such
like 'Bitstream Vera Sans & 바탕체'.

Please reopen this issue if my request makes sense for you.
Comment 20 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-22 12:25:14 UTC
My interpretation of your request was that you wanted the correct Asian font
view in the pane with caption "The same font will be used on both ..." and your
comment "no way ...", what seems to be reached - with the limitations as per
Issue 73720.

Even different fonts are displayed in the preview pane, as you can see in my
"Screenshots2.odg", and also your screenie "i49126.png" does not show me
anything else that is not reached, so currently I do not understand your further
request; sorry, but my knowedge concerning Asian is short below zero :-/

To avoid more confusion, i recommend urgently that you should open a new issue
for an Enhancement Request with a detailed description which of your needs are
not still are not fulfilled and why it would be useful to have those requested
Comment 21 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-22 12:29:23 UTC
Created attachment 42373 [details]
screenshots showing current abilities
Comment 22 2007-01-22 21:40:57 UTC

Thanks for your screenshot! Now, I know why you think it works 'sometimes'!

The default behavior of the dialog with unmarked text is to show 'font name for
western text' with the selected font. Thus, if you change the font for western
text, you will see the changes in the preview. However, when you change the font
for asian text, there is no change in the preview!

I guess you usually change the font for western text and it works fine for you.
I usually change the font for asian text, and it does not work for me. :-)

I hope my comment gives you better understanding of this issue. And I still want
you to agree to reopen this issue, because I am not alone with this issue.

Initially, this issue was raised from Korean community forum.

And there are 6 votes. The 'us' also agrees the dialog is inconvenient to CJK users.

My point is that there are users who experience inconvenience with the dialog.
It is inappropriate to close such a issue with 'WFM'. It may work for you, but
may not work for other users.
Comment 23 2007-01-22 21:55:28 UTC

Would you take a look at this issue? I believe that 'no preview for selected
asian text' is serious limitation for CJK users.

@khirano, tora:

What about for Japanese users?
Comment 24 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-23 06:34:13 UTC
> I hope my comment gives you better understanding

Unfortunately not at all. May be someone with knowledge concerning Asian
languages will be able to find out what here will be required (because he knows
it from his daily work), but your description is not helpful for me, because it
is much too general and does not contain:
- a sample document
- a step by step instruction how to reproduce your problem like
  0. Install font 'xxxx', free available from ....
  1. open sample document
  2. click here
  3. menu " ..."
  4. select 'xxx' from pulldown "yyy'
     Expected: .... (see my little sketch 'sketch.odg')
     Actual: ... (see screenshot)
  so the problem would be understandable for everyone.

It's a good idea to involve 'blueice7'
Comment 25 2007-01-23 07:10:00 UTC

I did not provide a sample document because this issue is not related to
document. And my description and the screenshot might be too general for you,
but it is enough for users working with Asian text.

Anyway, thanks for your interest and concern. I hope blueice7 can help
requirements team to understand this issue.
Comment 26 blueice7 2007-01-23 09:39:12 UTC
Hi rainerbielefeld,

Let me list the steps to reproduce.
1. Open writer.
2. Go to 'Tools > Option > Language Settings > Language'.
3. Enable 'Enabled for Asian Languages' checkbox.
4. Go to 'Format > Character' with no selected string.
5. Change the defulat latin font to another _latin font_. You can see that
previewed string has been updated and can check what it looks like.
6. Change the defualt Asian font to another Asian font. No preview string is
displayed for the changed Asian font and you can not check what it looks like.

As jeongkyu mentioned, it's inconvinient for Asian user.
I think he suggest to display both latin font sample and Asian font sample in
preview box.
Comment 27 Rainer Bielefeld 2007-01-23 10:38:44 UTC
I checked with "2.1.0  German version WIN XP: [680m6(Build9095)]" and can
confirm the observations from 'Additional comments from blueice7 Tue Jan 23
01:39:12 -0800 2007'

Do we need a bug report or an enhancement request? I tried with "sanskrit99"
(the only Asian looking" font on my PC and was a little astonished to see 
"____Times new Roman___" in the preview pane of menu "Format - Character - Card
'Asian layout'", I believe that is a DEFECT, but I do not have any knowledge
concerning current specification for this.

Someone with knowledge has to check what of the current behaviour is in
accordance with the current specification and what not (for that we need DEFECT-
bug reports.

In a second step we need some precise, clear and simple enhancement requests to
abolish remaining inconveniences for Asian language users. 

For example: In menu "Format - Character - Card 'Font'" we need a second preview
pane for the selected Asian font (because ...)

I can't do that.
Comment 28 ace_dent 2008-05-17 21:37:38 UTC
The Issue you raised has been marked as 'Resolved' and not updated within the
last 1 year+. I am therefore setting this issue to 'Verified' as the first step
towards Closing it. If you feel this is incorrect, please re-open the issue and
add any comments.

Many thanks,
Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues
~ The Grand Bug Squash, pre v3 ~
Comment 29 ace_dent 2008-05-17 23:41:09 UTC
As per previous posting: Verified -> Closed.
A Closed Issue is a Happy Issue (TM).

Comment 30 urmasd 2009-10-08 03:17:16 UTC
This is a problem, and it persists in recent version. Having a preview for both
roman and asian text is useful.