Issue 53296 - [DE] It should be View -> Sicht in Menu Edit
Summary: [DE] It should be View -> Sicht in Menu Edit
Alias: None
Product: Internationalization
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.0
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 4 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Reported: 2005-08-14 16:28 UTC by Regina Henschel
Modified: 2013-08-07 15:00 UTC (History)
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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Description Regina Henschel 2005-08-14 16:28:41 UTC
I use OOo1.9.122 with German language pack.
Open a database document and look at menu Edit item "Create as View". Now see
the same in German UI. There it is "Als Ansicht erstellen". This translation is
wrong. "View" is a technical term in database context. The corresponding German
term is "Sicht". So it should be "Als Sicht erstellen".
Comment 1 eric.savary 2005-08-15 13:00:49 UTC
ES->FT: please have a look
Comment 2 falko.tesch 2005-10-20 19:57:07 UTC
FT: Technically spoken that might be right, but it is bad and "techie" German.
Therefore turned down.
Comment 3 Regina Henschel 2005-10-23 10:14:16 UTC
I do not understand the decision “wontfix”. The term “Sicht” is neither bad nor
"techie" but it is the correct German word for such a virtual table. You can
“Eine Sicht bzw. View ist eine im DBMS gespeicherte Abfrage, die sich für den
Benutzer bezüglich Abfragen verhält wie eine normale Tabelle. Sie werden
verwendet, um Abfragen zu strukturieren, indem Anfragen an diese Sichten
ermöglicht werden, und ferner, um Anwendungen gegen Änderungen der Struktur
einer Datenbank stabil zu machen. Änderungsoperationen auf Sichten sind
allerdings problematisch.”
Or if wikipedia is not reliable for you, take any lecture on data base or any
specialist book, they all speak of “Sicht”. Show me a professional source where
“Ansicht” is used. Indeed it would be better not to translate it at all than to
use the wrong term.
Imagine someone was teached in creating data bases. He will neither find “view”
nor “Sicht” and thinks OOo is not able to handle this virtual tables.
Do you fear the extensive changes in the online-help? That should be no problem.
I will help you finding and correcting them in all places.
Comment 4 ooo 2005-10-24 19:25:51 UTC
-> FT
No, "Sicht" is not "techie german" !
In german we use "meine Sicht auf diese Dinge" in the sense of pointing our view
to a certain matter. 
"Ansicht" is closer to "meaning" (Meinung/Bedeutung), but with a given database,
the views at this database can be different depending on which data are selected
for the view.
This is also differnt from the "Ansicht", which is the technical term for the
zoom used to display a document.
I'put my vote for this issue now.
Comment 5 axxl 2005-11-11 17:04:02 UTC
We should come to a decision between 'Sicht" and 'Ansicht' to have a consistent
use of this term. When I copy a table, my Dialogue offers me to copy the table
as a 'Tabellensicht'.
Comment 6 Regina Henschel 2005-11-11 17:37:43 UTC
The situation is difficult, because the German texts in the GUI are definied in (Ocke
Janssen). So the spec needs to be altered. I continue thinking, that it is
Comment 7 petr.dudacek 2007-05-16 17:47:06 UTC
Hi Regina,
are there any updates on the View/Sicht/Ansicht problem? Please let me know if
you need any help.
Comment 8 Regina Henschel 2007-05-16 19:34:05 UTC
The correct term is "Sicht", but the wrong term is in the spec. This issue
should be remain on 'OOo later' till the process, that German will be removed
from sources, are finished, and we start the general UI review.

The situation is not as bad as when I start this issue, because "Sicht" and
"View" (which is well known to those, who work with databases) are now in the
online help, so that those who search for "View" or "Sicht" will learn, that it
is called 'Ansicht' in the UI.
Comment 9 Rob Weir 2013-07-30 02:20:45 UTC
Reset assignee on issues not touched by assignee in more than 2000 days.