Issue 57853 - Can't disable space between latin and CTL text
Summary: Can't disable space between latin and CTL text
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Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.0
Hardware: PC All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Blocks: 41707 92549
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Reported: 2005-11-14 08:51 UTC by samphan
Modified: 2017-05-20 11:17 UTC (History)
8 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Description samphan 2005-11-14 08:51:05 UTC
When we have a latin character follow by CTL character, e.g. (for Thai)
OOo will add a space between the two character. According to issue #13917, this
is a feature - "Apply spacing between Asian, Latin and Complex text". And it can
be enable or disable at Format->Paragraph->Asian Typography.

I've tried disable it and the result look OK - no space between the letters.

However, to reach the 'Asian Typography' tab, one must enable 'Enabled for Asian
languages' in Tools->Options->Language Settings->Languges, or otherwise the tab
will not appear.
If we can't reach the tab, we can't disable the space. This is a bug.

So IMO :-
1) there're must be some way for CTL users to disable the space (w/o having to
enable Asian language)
2) disable the space by default. I'm not sure if anyone want it?
Comment 1 michael.ruess 2005-11-14 09:19:35 UTC
Reassigned to US.
Comment 2 ulf.stroehler 2005-11-14 09:37:17 UTC
agreed. "Asian Typography" in Format/Paragraph should probably be renamed to
"Asian/CTL Typography" or something the like and needs to be enabled also when
CTL support (only) is checked.

Transferring to OS. 
Pls. note string suggestion above needs User-Ex approval.
Comment 3 ulf.stroehler 2005-11-14 09:39:28 UTC
Target approved by PM.
Comment 4 Oliver Specht 2005-11-14 09:44:25 UTC
->LH: Who is responsible for string changes now?
Comment 5 pavel 2006-01-18 20:19:57 UTC
UI freeze -> move target.

Stefan: Who is handling strings/UI now?
Comment 6 stx123 2006-01-19 10:31:44 UTC
Matthias, would you or someone from the team give this problem a thought.
Thanks, Stefan
Comment 7 matthias.mueller-prove 2006-01-19 11:40:13 UTC
I see -- and I agree: 
If any of the options "Enabled for Asian languages" or "Enabled for complex text
layout (CTL)" is checked then we need to display the Asian Typography tab  for
the Paragraph dialog.

Does anyone object to name the tab just "Typography" instead of "Asian
Typography" (does not include CTL) or "Asian/CTL Typography" (cumbersome and

Do we have a spec somewhere where this change fits in?

Comment 8 jjc 2006-01-19 13:34:06 UTC
This feature causes problems with import to and export from Word.  See issue
60826. I think it would be much better and simpler just not to do this
auto-spacing between Western and CTL. In other words, do it only for
Western/Asian and CTL/Asian.
Comment 9 jjc 2006-01-19 14:24:16 UTC
I withdraw my suggestion to simply not do spacing between Western and CTL,
because it would break backwards-compatibility with existing OOo documents.  In
the longer term, I think it needs to be split into two properties, one for
adding space between Asian and non-Asian and one for adding space between CTL
and non-CTL, and then making the default for the latter be off, but that's
something for another issue.

As for naming of the tab, I don't think naming it Typography is a good idea.
Many of the other tabs are equally about Typography: Indents & Spacing is
typography; Alignment is typography; Text Flow is typography.  I would instead
suggest naming the tab "Asian & CTL", since the only thing that differentiates
the properties on that tab from the properties on other tabs is that the
properties relate to Asian and CTL text.  The terms Asian and CTL are admittedly
cryptic, but they are used elsewhere in the UI.

The tab is going to need tweaking to make it make sense in a CTL, but non-Asian
user.  The first two properties should be under a heading such as "Asian line
change", and they should be greyed if OOo is not enabled for Asian languages. 
There should be a separate heading for the third property (may be "Inter-script
spacing"), so that it is clear that it is nothing to do with "Line change".

An alternative might be to move the third check box to another tab, and grey it
out unless Asian or CTL was enabled (such as "Indent & Spacing").  Then there
would be no need to rename the Asian tab.
Comment 10 Oliver Specht 2006-05-18 12:44:20 UTC
Target changed to 2.x
Comment 11 Martin Hollmichel 2007-09-10 13:36:31 UTC
move target to 3.x according
Comment 12 Marcus 2017-05-20 11:17:51 UTC
Reset assigne to the default "".