Issue 6847 - provide a method to insert accented characters on English keybd
Summary: provide a method to insert accented characters on English keybd
Alias: None
Product: ui
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.0.0
Hardware: Other Other OS
: P3 Trivial with 6 votes (vote)
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Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Reported: 2002-08-08 12:33 UTC by bernardmoreton
Modified: 2017-02-23 08:56 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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configuration enhancement for /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/us (417 bytes, text/plain)
2003-11-20 13:58 UTC, Unknown
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Description bernardmoreton 2002-08-08 12:33:50 UTC
There has been recent discussion of this and also of autoreplace.  May I 
suggest enhancing autoreplace, or providing a similar mechanism (eg like 
*bold*), so that it does not depend on a trailing space or separator, and works 
for character groups instead of for whole words only.

It would be helpful if standard replacements could be provided which users 
could change if they wanted.

I would willingly submit a set (eg ``a to become a grave, ''a to become a 
acute, ^^a to become a circumflex ...)
Comment 1 Joost Andrae 2002-12-01 14:42:16 UTC
Joost->Bernard: you could already do this using the autocorrection
feature in /Tools/"AutoCorrect/AutoFormat" when you define it on the
tabpage "Replace"
Comment 2 bernardmoreton 2002-12-03 12:44:51 UTC
The auto-correction feature does NOT enable the insertion of accented 
characters by replacement.

1.0.1 allows such replacement if the group of characters to be 
replaced is a distict word (eg e'' can become e acute if the document 
contains "<space>e''<space>"),  but cannot cope with the character 
group anywhere within or at the beginning or end of a word.  This is 
obviously not satisfactory as a means of auto-correcting to acceted 

In 643 even the replacment of the separate word doesn't work, at 
least in the Windows version.

I haven't got 643C to try, I'm afraid;  but unless there is a 
significant change there, the issue should be held open.

Best wishes,
Bernard Moreton
Comment 3 stefan.baltzer 2002-12-03 17:40:02 UTC
Reassigned to CJ.
Comment 4 christian.jansen 2003-03-24 07:59:47 UTC
Reassiged to Bettina.
Comment 5 electronerd 2003-04-09 03:47:31 UTC
I personally like the way Microsoft handles this. Their system is as 
follows: hold CTRL+the character most resembling the accent, then 
press the character to be accented. thus, for an acute e, you would 
pres CTRL+',e.
Comment 6 Unknown 2003-11-20 13:58:26 UTC
Created attachment 11426 [details]
configuration enhancement for /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/symbols/us
Comment 7 Unknown 2003-11-20 14:09:20 UTC
In Linux there _NORMALLY_ is a similar way to obtain such an ISO
accent mode, which uses the right-WIN plus ', ", `, etc as dead keys
to obtain accentuated characters (ie right-WIN+' e yields é), but this
DOES NOT work in OpenOffice 1.1.0 (neither in StarOffice 6.x).
Strangely enough, it worked in StarOffice 5.2.

(See configuration file in attachment)
Comment 8 simos.bugzilla 2004-12-20 00:58:14 UTC
Some users reported that they want duplication of the functionality found in
Essentially, it allows users to input accented characters without having to
install a keymap, for Windows. It defines a set of custom dead keys to cover
mostly western european languages.

For documention on the full key bindings, see

Also see related Mozilla Bugzilla report (1.1.2) on Linux appears not support shortcuts (Ctrl-C) when the
keyboard is switched to another language than English. I'll find a new report
for this.
Comment 9 discoleo 2007-04-30 15:26:26 UTC
A more powerful approach to this issue is described in issue 67500. Indeed, such
an *autoreplace* is a powerful way to automate various writing tasks.

As described here (and in the issue 67500), the replacement list handles only
full words, therefore this needs a workaround/ fix/ enhancement.

A very useful consequence of this feature would be to solve (in one way) issue
4579. Suppose we add this to the replacement list:
"a'" => "ä"
Then "Gra'sser" becomes automatically "Grässer", NO need for special shortcuts.

Of course, a complete solution would involve both this feature AND the shortcut
version, BUT until shortcuts are implemented, this would be fine (and this would
be useful even IF shortcuts were later implemented).

How should this be implemented?
1. fast way: implement a second replacement list,
   where any occurrence of the specified combination
   would be replaced by the new string
2. more powerful: implement wildcards, as suggested for issue 67500
Comment 10 redi2go 2007-04-30 16:19:50 UTC

the facility you describe is not what I want. I need a method of writing café
without either having to type (and remember!) ALT+0,2,2,3 or go to the special
characters menu to insert e acute. The problem with using autocorrect is that it
has side-effects - it tends to 'correct' stuff that wasn't wrong in the first
place. In your example, for instance, <Amanda's> would be changed to <Amandäs> -
not at all what I want. This is particularly a problem if you work on text from
a variety of sources which may use different vocabularies.
Comment 11 discoleo 2007-05-03 21:16:05 UTC
discoleo -> redi2go

This issue is about extending *autocorrect*, so, my point is still valid.

While autocorrect may have sometimes undesired efects, there are situations
where I definitely prefer the autocorrect feature: e.g. when I am writing text
in 2+ languages with different types of accents, where ANY logical
key-combination is insufficient to write ALL special characters. [I do write
such texts on a regular basis.]

Indeed, IF I do NOT write in English (think of all Latin-languages, Slavik ones,
and so on), you won't encounter the <Amanda's> issue, so "a'" would be almost
always a valid replacement (just NOT in English).
Comment 12 redi2go 2007-05-04 11:51:10 UTC

I don't want to get into a great argument about this. The summary says 'provide
a method to insert accented characters on English keyboard'. I don't really care
how it works, but would not consider a solution that had side-effects to be
acceptable, because it's not necessary.

My concern is that if the proposed solution is made too ambitious eg a wholesale
rewrite of autoreplace, nothing will ever get done because nobody will take on
such a big job without a huge number of votes, which it will never get. (For
instance, I don't even use autoreplace, let alone want it enhancing.)

We just need something here that is simple, quick, and friendly that will cover
the 90% case. The rewrite of autoreplace can be tackled separately under your
67500 enhancement request.
Comment 13 redi2go 2007-05-05 17:12:58 UTC
I've added a comment and attachment to that resolves this
problem, at least for me. Go there to read more.
Comment 14 redi2go 2007-05-16 10:49:34 UTC
Just to tidy this, there's a mildly updated version of the macro that resolves
this issue on my site It covers most western
european languages and several special characters as well.
Comment 15 bettina.haberer 2010-05-21 14:54:38 UTC
To grep the issues easier via "requirements" I put the issues currently lying on
my owner to the owner "requirements". 
Comment 16 ianlitton 2017-02-21 12:36:51 UTC
I would like to suggest another approach to this that is much more intuitive and quicker to use. 

When composing an email in Google mail, or a note in MS OneNote on my Macbook pro I can press and hold a key to get a popup of accented options for that character. For example, hold down the "e" key and 7 accented options appear in the popup. Select the one you want with the mouse and job done. This has a number of benefits:

- no need to remember difficult keyboard combinations
- no need to use the insert menu, which is slow and frustrating
- no need to do search and replace

Would it be possible to implement this approach in Open Office for both Mac and Windows users?
Comment 17 Peter 2017-02-22 18:29:42 UTC
Is this feature only available in these Application?

Maybe it is an OS feature. Therefore it should workin Open Office from Mac too.

Could be done on other Platforms too, but for this the application Open Office has to override the default behaviour of the system. (Printing a lot of "e" when you hold the key :-D)

Might be a problem for others.
Comment 18 Peter 2017-02-22 18:31:45 UTC
Hmm, maybe this extentions helps?
Comment 19 ianlitton 2017-02-22 21:28:17 UTC
(In reply to Peter from comment #17)
> Is this feature only available in these Application?
> Maybe it is an OS feature. Therefore it should workin Open Office from Mac
> too.
> Could be done on other Platforms too, but for this the application Open
> Office has to override the default behaviour of the system. (Printing a lot
> of "e" when you hold the key :-D)
> Might be a problem for others.

Hi Peter

those are the two applications I use the most, but I just checked the behaviour in Pages and that also presents the popup with the accented characters. If it was an OS feature shouldn't it also be working in Open Office on the Mac (which it doesn't)?
Comment 20 ianlitton 2017-02-23 08:56:26 UTC
(In reply to Peter from comment #18)
> Hmm, maybe this extentions helps?

Hi Peter
I had a look at this extension, but it still requires different key combinations to achieve the correct accented character, which isn't optimum. The popup I have access to in other apps on the Mac is just so easy and elegant.