Issue 80036 - Table border default line 0.5 pt instead 0.05 pt
Summary: Table border default line 0.5 pt instead 0.05 pt
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: printing (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.2.1
Hardware: All Windows, all
: P3 Minor (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
QA Contact:
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Reported: 2007-07-25 16:24 UTC by matthias007
Modified: 2014-04-03 11:19 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Latest Confirmation in: 4.1.0-dev
Developer Difficulty: ---

testfile showing problem with frame not printed (Testrahmen2) (32.34 KB, application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text)
2007-07-25 16:27 UTC, matthias007
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Description matthias007 2007-07-25 16:24:21 UTC
I want to place a frame around a text line. 
I am doing this by marking the line and then 
choosing "Tabelle" "Umwandeln" "Text in Tabelle".

The frame around the text line can be seen. 

When I am printing 2 pages on 1 sheet of paper
(I am doing this for a huge book)
the above line will not be printed. I know this 
problem from other tables. It can be frustrating.

I can correct this by choosing "Umrandungsstil" 1pt.

I feel "1pt" should be the default one without having
to adjust for. Its a bad look and feel if you see
a line on the screen but not on the printed paper
using a standard Laser printer HP4000 with a standard

I also feel it would be an enhancement if by 
clicking on "Tabelle" "Linienstil" the actual 
value would be shown. So would be more easy to work with. 

Best Regards
   Matthias Weisser
Comment 1 matthias007 2007-07-25 16:27:00 UTC
Created attachment 47082 [details]
testfile showing problem with frame not printed (Testrahmen2)
Comment 2 michael.ruess 2007-07-26 07:23:50 UTC
Reassigned to HI.
Comment 3 matthias007 2007-07-26 19:24:14 UTC
other people in the de-users know this problem. 
So it is not really new. 

One solution could be using a 1pt size. 
One guy feels 1pt is too big to be used as a default value.
0.5pt would be fine. 

In the menu "Tabelle" "Linienstil" unfortunately there is
no possibility to choose "0.5pt". Only possible is "1pt"
or "hair line". So that does not seem to make sense. 

In the menu "Tabelle" there is also a field "Tabelleneigenschaften".
Going to this there can be found "Umrandung". In this field
the "line stile" can be set to 0.05pt, 0.5pt or 1pt. 

Why there are such different options offered to do just 
the same? Why are the options different? 

I hope this can be optimized further for a more easy
work and unterstanding.

I still feel that the default line size should be changed.

But may be changing from "hair line" to 0.5pt would be
the better solution. If doing so the menu "Tabelle" "Linienstil"
should be changed to also give the possibility to change
to 0.5pt which is now not possible. 

Best Regards
   Matthias Weisser

Comment 4 matthias007 2007-07-27 18:06:55 UTC
The title of the discussion in the de-users is
Re: [de-users] Writer: Rahmen drucken klappt nicht korrekt

Thomas Schoeneberg agrees with my comments. 

A "hair line" should not be named different
in 2 different menus like 0.05pt in the other one. 

In different menus the possibilities to change
line type should be consistent. 0.5pt cannot be
choosen in one menue.  

Thomas agrees that a default value of 0.5pt would be ok
instead of using a "hair line" today.
Comment 5 matthias007 2007-10-08 06:44:11 UTC
Under the topic "Re: [de-users] Problem bei Umrandungen"
Horst Joehnk reports problems with "surroundings of cells" not shown in print
outs from OO Calc.

So this behaviour of OO does not seem to be related only to writer. In page
layout the lines can be seen, but are not printed correctly - he reports. 

A problem with the printer does not seem to be the case.

Thomas Schoeneberg talks about that the default setting for lines is only 0,05
pt. Therefore it cannot be printed on most printers. One cannot be sure 
what will happen if printed. There is a clear difference between what you see
and what you get. This is simply not the case when using "Word", because Word
uses more appropriate defaults in this case. 

This topic should be switched to "confirmed". A solution should be designed. 
Comment 6 h.ilter 2007-10-09 15:06:30 UTC
Reassigned to requirements
Comment 7 Edwin Sharp 2014-04-03 11:19:48 UTC
Confirmed with
AOO410m15(Build:9761)  -  Rev. 1583666
2014-04-01 13:53:14 (Di, 01 Apr 2014)
Win 7