Issue 89041 - Word count differs from MS Word because of page footer text
Summary: Word count differs from MS Word because of page footer text
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: code (show other issues)
Version: OOo 2.4.0
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
QA Contact:
: 102169 (view as issue list)
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Reported: 2008-05-05 20:56 UTC by foobard
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:44 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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test file (37.00 KB, text/plain)
2008-05-05 20:57 UTC, foobard
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Description foobard 2008-05-05 20:56:54 UTC
pursuant to bug 80815, I've discovered that what show up as text boxes in MS
Word appear as images when imported into OpenOffice.

The problem with this is word count -- MS Word counts text in text boxes, but
once converted to an image, OpenOffice is unable to count that text toward the
total word count.

Test file attached.
Comment 1 foobard 2008-05-05 20:57:31 UTC
Created attachment 53396 [details]
test file
Comment 2 michael.ruess 2008-05-06 08:39:45 UTC
That's not true. As in MS Word these are objects created by the drawing tools.
They are not regarded for Word count in both applications. 

MRU->SBA: please have a look here, Writer counts 63 words in this document, MS
Word counts 51.
Comment 3 foobard 2008-05-06 19:41:11 UTC
In MS Word you can edit the text boxes simply by clicking on them, but in OOo
you can't simply place your cursor into the text box to edit it.

I see now, when I right click to edit the text box, that I get the error message:

Object not accessible
The object cannot be accessed due to insufficient user rights.

So... in addition to the word count issue, perhaps there is a second bug here
regarding user rights. You can edit the text box in MS Word, but not in OOo. Is
this the desired behavior?
Comment 4 stefan.baltzer 2008-08-28 15:20:11 UTC
SBA->foobard: I believe that you are aware of "collective issues". This shall
not get one :-)
I looked in OOo 3.0 dev build OOO300_m3. I can not reproduce the "edit problem".
What you describe sounds like the entire document is read-only (maybe opened in
MS Office and OOo from the same machine ). If you see "another" issue, please do
not discuss that in here. 

Back to word count... The difference of 12 (63 - 51) words comes from the page
footer. OOO Writer counts it and Word does not. Changing summary accordingly.
Try this: Within the bugdoc, delete all but one word from the text body. 
Then select the text in the footer. MS Word (2007 and 2003 alike) tells: 12 word
in selction, 1 word in document. Smells buggy but...

SBA->FME: Since word count references to (yet :-) market leading products are
more important than being bug-free ourselves, it looks like we must copy this
behavior of ignoring page footers in word count.

Personal Note: Lets see how long we can survive this "following blindly" without
introducing UI for "meaningful personal settings concerning word count" :-)
Comment 5 michael.ruess 2009-07-29 12:37:36 UTC
*** Issue 102169 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***