Issue 91868 - Writer can't remember language setting.
Summary: Writer can't remember language setting.
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: editing (show other issues)
Version: OOo 3.0 Beta 2
Hardware: PC Windows XP
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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Reported: 2008-07-20 16:24 UTC by kammah
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:44 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Description kammah 2008-07-20 16:24:00 UTC
Take the Dutch version of OO.o 3.0b2 (might be applicable to all translations, 
I don't know).
1) Start Writer.
2) In the statusbar the program tells that the language is set to Nederlands
3) Type some characters in the empty document.
4) In the statusbar the program tells that the language has switched to Engels 
(VS). OK, the program might be a bit stubborn, os let's set it back to 
Nederlands (NL).
5) Type again some characters.
6) Again the program switches the language to Engels (VS).

You can repeat it several times and the program each time switches to Engels 

Try it in a document which is originally made in a Dutch version and even then 
the program changes it to Engels (VS).
Comment 1 simonbr 2008-07-21 21:11:37 UTC
I checked it in the English-UI version and it is definitely a problem. 
Even after setting default language for document to Dutch, and after setting
language Dutch "for all text", new paragraphs become English (USA).
It is also the case with other languages. 
This also happens when selecting all text in menu Edit, then setting the
language using the menu Format - Character. 
In OOo 1 and 2 this would result in new paragraphs getting the desired language.

I think this is a disaster for any user who regularly writes in a different
language than English (USA). 

Finding the right person to assign this to...
Comment 2 simonbr 2008-07-22 09:29:22 UTC
Reassigning to Stefan.

I suggest setting priority to P2, as this is a serious usability problem for
many users.
Comment 3 stefan.baltzer 2008-07-22 10:41:51 UTC
This is intended behavior. The input language follows the keyboard input locale.
See issue 1035:
"language setting for typed text should be set to current input locale (keyboard

This behavior does not meet all users needs, therfore one might want to switch
it off via UI:
See issue 91552:
"Make Input language detection configurable"

So I set this issue as duplicate to issue 91552.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 91552 ***
Comment 4 stefan.baltzer 2008-07-22 10:42:22 UTC
Closing duplicate.
Comment 5 kammah 2008-08-01 01:29:29 UTC
I don't agree with it.

Yes, i understand it is a duplicate of 91552, but that issue says if I 
interpret correctly that the keyboard layout takes preferences ALWAYS.

I consider this an example of pure degraded user experience.

Most computer users use a keyboard with an English layout (the so called QWERTY-

So letting the keyboard layout decide the language used by Oo.o is not that 
good, I suppose.

I don't see why this is done.
Comment 6 kammah 2008-08-01 14:51:57 UTC
I want to point out in addition that I don't have problems with that keyboard 
layout dectection (even if it is probably wrong for most users since nearly 
everyone uses a keyboard with US layout).
I've problems with the way it works:

1) The program tries to make a proper choice.
2) I, the user, am not satisfied and overrules the program by making the 
correct choice for my situation.
3) The program detects immediately that it was overruled and changes the choice 
made by the user.

So here we have the classical problem of "who's at the controls?"

In my humble opinion it is "not done" that the program has the last right to 
decide. Even if the user is to make a wrong choice according to the programs 
standards, the programs last resort is to advise about it and it should never 
be able to persist in its own opinion.

I suggest the following procedure:

The program can make the detection only, I repeat only, at the first start 
after installation and if the user makes another choice the program has to 
respect that choice.

I would furthermore suggest that the program makes the choice not on basis of 
the keyboard layout but based upon the language of the user interface of the 
program itself. The program can safely assume that the user understands the 
language of the user interface and that it will be very likely that the user 
will create most documents in that particular language.

I've never seen any program so far that needed a reconfiguration of the 
computer system in order to work properly. If this "feature" remains active now 
or in the future I predict that a lot of users will switch to programs that 
work more intuitively, like Abiword for example.