Issue 9352 - Styles Catalog doesn't show all paragraph styles when first opened
Summary: Styles Catalog doesn't show all paragraph styles when first opened
Status: CLOSED WONT_FIX
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.0.1
Hardware: PC All
: P5 (lowest) Trivial with 1 vote (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Oliver Specht
QA Contact: issues@sw
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Keywords: oooqa
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2002-11-19 05:10 UTC by stevanwhite
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:38 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
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Developer Difficulty: ---


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Description stevanwhite 2002-11-19 05:10:56 UTC
Very annoying.

When first open Styles...Catalog, not all the Paragraph
styles are shown. (I'm not quite sure which ones show:
my own styles aren't shown, but also styles such
as Illustration, List, which I didn't create, are missing.)

If I switch from Paragraph to Character styles, then back,
all the Paragraph styles appear.

Very annoying
Comment 1 prgmgr 2002-11-20 03:52:07 UTC
Stevan, thank you for using and supporting OOo.

Please list which version of OOo you are using.

How did you install OOo?
Comment 2 stevanwhite 2002-11-20 06:45:59 UTC
From the distribution Linux Mandrake 9.0.
Version of OOo is as reported in the Version field above: 1.0.1
Comment 3 prgmgr 2002-11-30 22:15:05 UTC
Stevan thanks for the update.

Can you give us any hints on how you installed OOo 1.0.1?

Unable to duplicate on RH 8.0, OOo 1.0.1.
Could be a Mandrake issue.
Comment 4 stevanwhite 2002-12-05 05:53:33 UTC
I have figured out what happens.  It happens on Windows as well as two
different Linux distributions.

When the dialog is first opened, the Style Area selector at the bottom
of the dialog is on "Automatic".  After you use the Category selector
at the top of the dialog to switch to "Character Styles" then back to
"Paragraph Styles", the Style Area selector reads "All Styles".

This is very confusing behaviour.  It can leave a user that the style
they have just carefully defined has disappeared.

Let me be explicit as to what I'm seeing.

Open plain document, pull down Format->Styles->Catalog. It shows
Paragraph styles initially.  The Style Area selector reads
"Automatic".  List has 20 items, starting with
                Complimentary close
                Default
                First line indent
                Hanging indent
                Heading
                ...
Switch to Character Styles, then back to Paragraph Styles. The Style
Area selector now reads "All Styles".  List now has more than 120
items, starting with
                Addressee
                Bibliography 1
                Bibliography Heading
                Caption
                Complimentary close
                ...
Comment 5 scarr 2003-06-26 03:32:00 UTC
Marking this as confirmed.  Should we change the Summary to Styles
Catalog needs to work in a more consitent way?

I have run into this problem on several occassions, and it is
confusing to say the least.  It does appear as if your styles have
been deleted.

Should this be a feature request, or left as a defect?
Comment 6 stefan.baltzer 2003-06-27 10:40:28 UTC
Hi!

I don't understand the problem. To get the precious self-created
styles into sight, use "applied styles" in the stylist. Now do what
all users do all the time (SCNR ;-): click through the icons on top of
the stylist for a while: It will stay at "applied styles" for all of them.

Feel free to write a feature request that this setting is "lost" after
an Office restart. 

Concerning the default being "Automatic" and changing to character
styles and back makes it "All styles": There is slightly bigger fish
to catch as this is not exactly ruining every users day every day.

Unless you find someone from the community to provide some code to get
a change here, this one will stay Prio5 and won't get fixed for a LONG
time. I'd prefer to close it as "invalid" as this is only a problem if
you make it a problem.
Comment 7 stefan.baltzer 2003-06-27 10:41:05 UTC
Set to "Wont Fix" and closed.
Comment 8 stevanwhite 2003-06-29 01:17:17 UTC
Good grief, Stefan.

You start off by announcing you don't understand the problem.
Then you insult any user who creates their own "precious" style.
Then agree that there is a confusing work around.
Then close the bug report on the grounds that it doesn't hurt all
users all the time.

I hope you're just having a bad day.

What can I do but re-open the report?
Comment 9 stefan.baltzer 2003-06-30 13:34:37 UTC
SBA: I do understand that one might wish a slightly different
behavior. I don't understand that this is any kind of a big issue.

Those who are familiar with queries and "The big issue overview" would
easily agree. Those who find ONE issue in far too many cases take THIS
one issue too serious. 

I do nothing but QA the whole day, I claim I do have an overview and
that was the base for what I did. Not at all a bad day, but it's not
the first time that people take it personal when we decide "True, but
too little a problem from the public point of view".

If you really like to watch this issue unsolved for "a while", it's
not a problem in general. On the other hand we do already have enough
issues to do that COULD make a bigger steps for MANY more users.
Simply reopening is the right step from your side if you think that
seeing this issue aging is getting us foreward. :-(

But I stick to my opinion that there is bigger fish to catch: If a
user gets confronted with "All styles", it is likely that he's
overwhelmed and confused. The "applied styles" is not a good start
either because in an empty document, there is no style applied.
Therefore the default "Automatic" was chosen in order to give a
meaningful style selection. Thos who are familiar with styles (my
"favorite uses", as hard-formatting leads to trouble in many cases but
still is a common way to work) can get "their" favorite style
selection with one mouse click. 

Now what's the big issue here? Someone who's already familiar with the
stylist isn't 120% satisfied and wishes something different from what
was decided in order to serve as much users as possible. In my opinion
the default "All styles" would scare off users, resulting in NOT using
the helpful stylist at all.

SBA->OS: Have a look and do something it unless you have something
more imoportant to do. This one is Prio5. ;-)
Comment 10 Oliver Specht 2003-07-03 14:55:53 UTC
We had the same problem (the re-ordering after changing the style
family) with the Stylist. 
The re-ordering of the list box (All styles, Automatic, ...) solved it. 
This should be done in the style catalog, too. 

Additionally I agree that it makes more sense to preselect  "All
styles" in the style catalog. In the Stylist the "Automatic" setting
makes more sense.

OS->CJ: What do you think about a change here?
Comment 11 andmalc 2003-07-16 05:28:05 UTC
I too was temporarily confused to not see my custom styles in the
Stylelist upon opening a document with custom styles applied.  Sure,
anyone who uses styles will realize they need to select a different
view/filter, but this doesn't prevent this behavior from being a bit
unintuitive.

Also, the Stylelist view/filter name 'Automatic' doesn't really convey
anything to me.  Does this mean 'styles stored in the template'? 
(Some of the styles in the default template look to be letter-related
so I guess this template is a Business Letter template, though it's
just called 'default'.)

Perhaps the default Stylelist view for new documents could remain
'Automatic' (or whatever the best term for this is) but for existing
documents the view would be 'Applied Styles'
Comment 12 christian.jansen 2003-09-11 16:25:32 UTC
[...]
We had the same problem (the re-ordering after changing the style
family) with the Stylist. 
The re-ordering of the list box (All styles, Automatic, ...) solved it. 
This should be done in the style catalog, too. 

Additionally I agree that it makes more sense to preselect  "All
styles" in the style catalog. In the Stylist the "Automatic" setting
makes more sense.

OS->CJ: What do you think about a change here?

CJ->OS: I think 'All Styles' shall be preselected and we shall behave
like we do in the stylist.
Comment 13 ace_dent 2008-05-16 02:40:33 UTC
OpenOffice.org Issue Tracker - Feedback Request.

The Issue you raised has the status 'New' pending further action, but has not
been updated within the last 4 years. Please consider re-testing with one of the
latest versions of OOo, as the problem(s) may have already been addressed.
Either use the recent stable version: http://download.openoffice.org/index.html
or consider trying the new OOo 3 BETA (still in testing):
http://download.openoffice.org/3.0beta/
 
Please report back the outcome so this Issue may be Closed or Progressed as
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Many thanks,
Andrew
 
Cleaning-up and Closing old Issues as part of:
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Comment 14 lohmaier 2010-03-28 00:52:12 UTC
Extra Styles Catalog is no more, so wontfix.
Comment 15 lohmaier 2010-03-28 00:52:36 UTC
closing obsolete issue
Comment 16 stevanwhite 2010-03-28 11:58:58 UTC
FWIW,

I can confirm that this bug has finally been fixed at least as of version 3.1.1.

Of course, the dialogs involved are rather different than they were before, but
when I followed as best I could the directions given, new styles did not
disappear as before.  The listings seem more logical now.

Thank you for your efforts!