Issue 93631 - four icons at bottom right of start center partially obscured by white space
Summary: four icons at bottom right of start center partially obscured by white space
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: General
Classification: Code
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: DEV300m37
Hardware: Mac Mac OS X, all
: P4 Trivial with 1 vote (vote)
Target Milestone: OOo 3.1
Assignee: Olaf Felka
QA Contact: issues@framework
URL:
Keywords:
: 93610 94873 (view as issue list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2008-09-08 20:55 UTC by Graham Perrin
Modified: 2009-02-18 12:12 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

See Also:
Issue Type: DEFECT
Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---


Attachments
demonstrating the issue (155.75 KB, image/png)
2008-09-08 20:55 UTC, Graham Perrin
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compare this (opening) view of the start centre with the screen shot attached to Issue 94397 (248.64 KB, image/png)
2008-09-28 11:23 UTC, Graham Perrin
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I have created a collage to highlight the shift (278.39 KB, image/png)
2008-09-28 11:26 UTC, Graham Perrin
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Screencenter on first start without any glitches (83.88 KB, image/jpeg)
2008-10-25 09:06 UTC, eric_openoffice
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An ordered list of preferred languages (I don't speak all of these, but I do use some for testing of Plone). (92.02 KB, image/png)
2008-11-29 17:33 UTC, Graham Perrin
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OS font defaults presented by (not altered by) TinkerTool for Graham Perrin (139.72 KB, image/png)
2008-11-29 17:34 UTC, Graham Perrin
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Description Graham Perrin 2008-09-08 20:55:17 UTC
See attached. 

AFAIR the issue was *not* evident when I first launched m5.
Comment 1 Graham Perrin 2008-09-08 20:55:58 UTC
Created attachment 56331 [details]
demonstrating the issue
Comment 2 Olaf Felka 2008-09-09 09:25:06 UTC
*** Issue 93610 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 3 Olaf Felka 2008-09-09 09:28:40 UTC
We've tried with RC1 but can't reproduce. Can you give us a hint what desktop
settings you have (e.g. font size)?
@ hdu: Any idea what else might cause this ugly StartCenter?
Comment 4 hdu@apache.org 2008-09-09 10:13:29 UTC
@of: from the screenshot I'd say that the fixed text for "Open a document..." way too big? Probably 
OOo<->SO makes a difference here.
Comment 5 Olaf Felka 2008-09-09 10:25:38 UTC
@ grahamperrin: Can you give advice where you have downloaded from?
Comment 7 Graham Perrin 2008-09-09 21:20:16 UTC
= Actions to reproduce =

 1. open the disk image

 2. in the Finder window to the mounted image, double-click the application

i.e. launch it read-only from 
/Volumes/OpenOffice.org 3.0/

 3. each one of the four icons are cropped

 4. as I curse over each icon: 

  — first, as the mouse pointer reaches the icon, the dark background appears and the icon is complete

  — then, as the mouse pointer moves past the icon, the dark background disappears and the icon 
remains complete. 
Comment 8 sierkb 2008-09-25 01:16:30 UTC
I can confirm this issue for RC1 as well as for RC 2 (build OOO300_m7).
I've tried it with a plain vanilla profile (I deleted ~/Library/Application
Support/OpenOffice.org/ before launching OO.o). Reproducable.

Downloaded from: http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/
Language: de (german)
Platform: MacOSX (Intel)
OS: MacOSX 10.5.5

Strange remarkable thing: the very first time, I start OpenOffice.org with a
plain vanilla profile (letting OO.o create a new one below ~/Library/Application
Support/OpenOffice.org/), all seems to be fine and OK. No issue.
After closing OO.o and relaunching it second time, the Start Center appears with
this issue concerning these four buttons at the bottom right of the Start Center
and described above and in the screenshot. Since then, the issue is sticky and
appears every time I start OO.o.
Comment 9 Graham Perrin 2008-09-28 11:01:54 UTC
= Observation =

 1. launch OOo release candidate 2

 2. command-o to present the open dialogue

 3. select and open a compatible file

 4. watch carefully: at the foot of the start centre window, in the grey, something like a status bar 
appears

— and as that status bar (or or whatever it is) appears, so the central (blue/white etc.) portion of the 
start centre shifts up, correspondingly 

— and as it shifts up, so the four icons re-draw properly.

Demoting to P4 as I guess that the developers have better things on which to focus around RC 2 time :)
Comment 10 Graham Perrin 2008-09-28 11:12:45 UTC
I have abstracted point 4 from my previous comment to a separate ticket, Issue 94397. 

For convenience, here's the screen shot attached to 94397:

<http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56880/status%20bar,%20or%20somethiin
g%20like%20it,%20in%20window%20of%20start%20centre.png>
Comment 11 Graham Perrin 2008-09-28 11:13:37 UTC
Oops, angle brackets not respected, let's try again, 
http://www.openoffice.org/nonav/issues/showattachment.cgi/56880/status%20bar,%20or%20somethiing
%20like%20it,%20in%20window%20of%20start%20centre.png
Comment 12 Graham Perrin 2008-09-28 11:16:02 UTC
http://tinyurl.com/93631-94397-statusbar-redraw
Comment 13 Graham Perrin 2008-09-28 11:23:04 UTC
Created attachment 56881 [details]
compare this (opening) view of the start centre with the screen shot attached to Issue 94397
Comment 14 Graham Perrin 2008-09-28 11:26:15 UTC
Created attachment 56882 [details]
I have created a collage to highlight the shift
Comment 15 eric_openoffice 2008-10-25 09:06:28 UTC
Created attachment 57449 [details]
Screencenter on first start without any glitches
Comment 16 eric_openoffice 2008-10-25 09:06:47 UTC
I tried to but I cannot verify this issue. Running OOo 3.0 final under Mac OS X
10.5.5 with all the latest Softareupdates on a Mac Mini with Intel Chipset
Graphics the Startcenter, as you cann see in the attached Screenshot, shows the
four buttons in full. 

I tried it with an existing user who already had some dev-builds and RCs
installed as well as with an user who previously hadn't had OOo installed. 

Maybe this bug is related to the graphic card driver. It is known that Apple
graphic card drivers are not the best ones out there. 
Comment 17 sierkb 2008-10-25 11:29:39 UTC
@maveric:

Have you run it twice? Or three times? The first time, I launch OpenOffice
(after a clean install and a clean, virgin (meaning: removed) OpenOffice profile
in ~/Library/Application Support/OpenOffice.org), the issue does NOT occure: all
is perfect, the new start center of OpenOffice launches without this issue/glitch.
All seems perfect. Close the application OpenOffice.org. Launch it again. Watch
the start center. And: voilà -- the issue occurs. And from that moment on, it
occurs every new launch on my installation, unless I clean the floor for a new
plain vanilla OpenOffice installation and delete ~/Library/Application
Support/OpenOffice.org . I just tried it again, several minutes ago, while
writing these words here. The issue is reproducible: first launch of OpenOffice
all is OK -- no issue with the start center. Close the application, start it
again: star center has this issue. And from that moment on, every next launch
again. Unless you delete ~/Library/Application Support/OpenOffice.org and let it
build through OpenOffice again the next launch.
Because the issue does NOT occur, when you launch OpenOffice the first time with
a plain vanilla user profile (meaning ~/Library/Application
Support/OpenOffice.org does not exist), I doubt, that this issue is in any way
related to the graphics card of my MacBook Pro (October 2006, ATI Mobility
Radeon X1600). The issue ONLY occurs, if you run OpenOffice more than one time
and with an existing user profile in ~/Library/Application Support/OpenOffice.org .
Please look deeper into it and continue to find out, what's wrong there.
Comment 18 Graham Perrin 2008-11-05 16:12:50 UTC
>  3. select and open a compatible file
> 
>  4. watch carefully: at the foot of the start centre window, in the grey, 
> something like a status bar appears

If I can, I'll capture a movie of this behaviour. It demonstrates well the symptom (if not the cause).
Comment 19 sierkb 2008-11-05 17:45:27 UTC
@gramphamperin:

> If I can, I'll capture a movie of this behaviour.
> It demonstrates well the symptom (if not the cause).

Yes, please!
I cannot believe, that we both, you and I, are the only users, who independently
are aware of this issue and interested in it to be solved and nobodyelse is able
to reproduce and confirm it.
I can't understand, why this issue still isn't worth to be examined deeper and
to be put into the front of a bigger audience. That's why tried to put it into
Issue #93339. But even there seems to be a barrier to put it on the "depends on"
list of Issue #93339.
I find this issue a very obvious glitch, which is able to lower the very first
"feel" of a good quality product, what OO.o 3 doubtless is.
Comment 20 Graham Perrin 2008-11-05 22:52:30 UTC
@  sierkb

Please be reassured, we're not alone, I have a clear recollection (but can't find a record) of discussion with 
others. Maybe in irc://irc.freenode.net/#ooo_macport

@ all readers

FWIW I recall someone suggesting that it may be related to the different choice of type and/or type size for 
the start center on Mac OS X (compared with, say, the start center on Windows). 
Comment 21 Graham Perrin 2008-11-06 20:16:55 UTC
@  sierkb and with reference to http://www.openoffice.org/scdocs/ddIssues_EnterModify.html#priority 

For this issue I tend towards lowest priority P5

> marks problems which describe wrong behavior of the application, but rarely affect anybody noticeably 
… Fixing them would be nice-to-have.

Issue #93339 comprises only stoppers, probably all P1.

Whilst this cosmetic issue is fairly high profile (it may be noticed by all users of OOo) it stops nothing :)

As this issue may be noticed by all users of OOo (it's the first thing they see, following the registration 
dialogue, and at each launch) priority might be debatably be P4. 

Priority aside, a milestone may be applied. 

For this issue, which I reported, I have permission to target milestone 3.1. I'm doing so now. 

Developers may require some other target :)

Regards
Graham
Comment 22 sierkb 2008-11-06 21:00:28 UTC
@grahamperrin:

>For this issue, which I reported, I have permission to target milestone 3.1.
I'm >doing so now.

Why not targetting for the very next milestone/release, 3.0.1 (planned product
release: December 9th, 2008) instead of targetting for the next but one, 3.1
(planned product release: March 5th, 2009)?
Too close to the release date to fix the issue in time?


Comment 23 Olaf Felka 2008-11-06 21:12:43 UTC
Do you have a developer to fix this? As long as a developer can't reproduce or a
QA can't debug it's ineffective to discus the target. And to be honest: A P4
issue with target 3.0.1? 
Comment 24 sierkb 2008-11-07 01:05:29 UTC
@of:

> Do you have a developer to fix this?

What about the developer(s), who developed/programmed the new start center?
I would agree to your arguments, if this issue would be an issue somewhere
hidden in some submenue or functionality the user seldom uses.
But this issue confrontates the MacOSX user (or some of them) each time he
launches OpenOffice.
This issue is able to lower the first impresssion of OpenOffice more than ever
because it occurs in the new start center. More than ever. And since the very
first day of the official launch of OpenOffice 3.0.
In my opinion, it is a matter of priority, if a developer is available (or is
made available) to fix it or not.
In doubt, the developer/-team who initially programmed the new start center is
responsible and has to fix it. Because first impression matters. And the start
center, in my opinion, IS in fact a first impression and a business
card/visiting card for the whole entire (and following) office application.
From my point of view and from my expectation of product quality, the start
center of this Office application is the first thing, a user is seeing and
interacting with. You should not welcome the user with a start center, which
glances with such a glitch from the start on and might give the user a slight
impression of imperfection and un-professionalism of what might follow right
from the start on.
You know, what I mean and what I intend?
Comment 25 Olaf Felka 2008-11-17 09:38:36 UTC
@ sierkb: I'm absolutely with you. If I would have found a way to reproduce this
the responsible developer will also have fixed it. But we haven't found a way to
reproduce yet. And then the developer can't fix it. He can't fix a problem that
he doesn't see. 
Comment 26 Graham Perrin 2008-11-17 17:33:00 UTC
I apologise for not finding the time/resource to capture in a movie at least one of the situations in which 
the icons are partially obscured. 

Please: with which versions of OOo and Mac OS X do the developers not see this issue?

In the meantime: do the .png attachments, which demonstrate the obscurity, offer any hints to a possible 
cause?
Comment 27 Graham Perrin 2008-11-17 17:36:05 UTC
@  sierkb: 

I should like to respond but a list will be more appropriate than this ticket. 

I'm conscious that too much ticket space is taken by discussions. 
Comment 28 Graham Perrin 2008-11-29 17:02:11 UTC
@ Ismael

Please: 

1) Comparing the first and fourth attachments to this ticket: 

 * can you think what might account for the apparent difference in font or font size? 

(In the screen shot of maveric, who can not reproduce the issue, the size of the characters appears to 
be less.)

2) Focusing on the third attachment, the collage produced by me to demonstrate the 'shift up', which 
occurs when a status/progress bar (if that's what it is) appears in the start centre: 

 * can you guess the nature of the grey bar at the foot of the start centre? 
Comment 29 Graham Perrin 2008-11-29 17:30:57 UTC
@ maveric

In the screen shot that you attached on 25th October:

* did you have applied to the OS anything that might have changed font sizes from the default?

I see that you and I are both on Intel. Focusing on the apparent differences in font and/or font size, 
wondering what might account for this: 

* what's your language preferences? 

(Might the OS prefer different fonts for different locales? My list of languages is headed by British 
English.)

I'll attach screen shots.
Comment 30 Graham Perrin 2008-11-29 17:33:07 UTC
Created attachment 58391 [details]
An ordered list of preferred languages (I don't speak all of these, but I do use some for testing of Plone).
Comment 31 Graham Perrin 2008-11-29 17:34:20 UTC
Created attachment 58392 [details]
OS font defaults presented by (not altered by) TinkerTool for Graham Perrin
Comment 32 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 11:04:55 UTC
Using OOo-Dev_DEV300_m37_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US.dmg I could not reproduce the symptom.
Comment 33 Olaf Felka 2008-12-17 11:13:55 UTC
@ pl: Please have a look. We've seen this effect on your macbook
Comment 34 sierkb 2008-12-17 11:34:16 UTC
@ grahamperin:

Using OOo_Dev_DEV300_m37_MacOSXIntel_install_de.dmg (german) I _still_ can
reproduce the symptom. As a precaution, I tested it (again) with a plain vanilla
user profile.
Result as seen before: first launch OK and issue-free. But from the second
launch on, the issue still appears.
Conclusion for me: this issue obviously is still NOT resolved & fixed, at least
concerning the german version of OO03. Please re-open the issue and look into it
further.
Comment 35 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 11:34:54 UTC
@ of and pl 

Feel free to re-open (or ask me to re-open) if you find the issue/symptom still present in recent 
milestones.

FWIW my gut feeling is that font and/or size of font were factors. Possibly affected by locales. 

Comment 36 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 11:38:25 UTC
Re-opened

@  sierkb

Please consider the two attachments that I made on 29th November. 

What's your own situation with regard to fonts?
Comment 37 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 11:40:41 UTC
Version of issue set to match  the report from sierkb. 

Milestone changed from 3.1 to 3.2. 
Comment 38 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 11:47:54 UTC
> Using OOo_Dev_DEV300_m37_MacOSXIntel_install_de.dmg

With http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/new_ooo_dev_3_1 as my starting point I'm not easily finding 
that _de.dmg in a UK and German extended mirror. 

@ sierkb

Please, what was your source for the disk image?
Comment 39 philipp.lohmann 2008-12-17 11:48:22 UTC
Actually I'd like to fix this today, since I have access to a lent macbook pro
that reproduces the problem.

so target 3.1
Comment 40 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 11:52:46 UTC
/me finds 
http://mirror.unlogisch.ch/ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/Dev_DEV300_m37/ 
apologises for the noise ;) and thanks pl
Comment 41 sierkb 2008-12-17 12:30:05 UTC
@grahamperrin:

> Please, what was your source for the disk image?

As always,

http://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/Dev_DEV300_m37/

Concerning your screenshots of langage and font installation, I can say, that my
preferences pane shows some little bit more installed/activated languages than
yours with a focus on european languages. Maybe I should tidy it a little bit up
and restrict it only to german and english. But I don't believe, that this has
anything to do with the discussed issue. My default font configuration as shown
by your TinkerTool preference pane looks exactly as yours.
Comment 42 philipp.lohmann 2008-12-17 14:01:59 UTC
fixed in CWS vcl98
Comment 43 sierkb 2008-12-17 14:19:40 UTC
@ pl:

> fixed in CWS vcl98

This is great news. Thanks very much! What has been the cause for this issue?
When will the next Dev Build be published to enabling verifying your fix?
Comment 44 philipp.lohmann 2008-12-17 15:06:51 UTC
The problem is that the font size set varies a little with the resolution of the
display. This makes the controls a bit larger in pixels e.g. on a MacBook. But
the background the controls have to fit in is a bitmap of fixed pixel size. So I
just refined the layout algorithm of the window a bit to place the controls a
bit tighter if necessary.

As to when CWS vcl98 will be integrated: somewhen in january. If you're
interested I can offer a build of the current state on our ftp server
qa-upload.services.openoffice.org.
Comment 45 sierkb 2008-12-17 15:22:49 UTC
@ pl:

> The problem is...

Thanks for this explanation. A pity, that you have found out and solved so late,
so that the fix is too late for OOo3.0.1. But luck for OOo3.1. :-)
The question, that raises to me no is, why this issue only seemed to occur to
grahamperrin and me but not to anybody else? Why was it so difficult to
reproduce it on every testing Mac/MacBook/MacBoo Pro?

> As to when CWS vcl98 will be integrated: somewhen in january.

OK.

> If you're interested I can offer a build of the current state
> on our ftp server qa-upload.services.openoffice.org.

That would be very kind. Yes, please. If possible, compiled for Intel
architecture and multi-language (for me: in german language -- I don't know,
which language(s) grahamperrin prefers and wants to test).
Comment 46 sierkb 2008-12-17 15:44:25 UTC
@ pl:

... and why does the issue NOT occur, when you launch OOo the first time (with a
plain vanilla profile), but after closing the application and relaunching it,
from that point on every further launch the issue has appeared?
Comment 47 philipp.lohmann 2008-12-17 17:00:49 UTC
there is a english/german install set to be found now at

ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/vcl98/mac-intel/OOo_3.1.0_081217_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US_de.dmg
Comment 48 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 18:19:12 UTC
> Using OOo-Dev_DEV300_m37_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US.dmg I could not reproduce the symptom.

When I performed that test (I can't recall exactly when) I may have been using my first generation 17" 
MacBook Pro (1680 x 1050 pixels) with a peripheral Apple Cinema Display. Whenever I use this 
combination, the peripheral display is primary (containing the menu bar) and to the left. 

Then today (after re-opening this issue) and working from home, without a peripheral display, using 
both OOo-Dev_DEV300_m37_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US.dmg and OOo_Dev_DEV300_m37_MacOSXIntel_install_de.dmg I _did_ reproduce the issue. 

Today's OOo_3.1.0_081217_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US_de.dmg is currently downloading to my 
computer.
Comment 49 Graham Perrin 2008-12-17 18:23:13 UTC
@ pl

Thanks!

@ sierkb

> and why does the issue NOT occur, when you launch OOo the first
> time (with a plain vanilla profile)

Re issue 94397 maybe that status bar-like appearance did/does not occur at first launch time. A guess.
Comment 50 sierkb 2008-12-17 20:01:34 UTC
@ pl:

> there is a english/german install set to be found now at...

Thanks very much for fixing this issue and providing this test build.
I've downloaded and run it. Can't reproduce the issue now, it really seems to be
fixed, at least now also for me. :-)

Thanks and kudos to you!
Comment 51 philipp.lohmann 2008-12-18 15:22:23 UTC
*** Issue 94873 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 52 philipp.lohmann 2009-01-16 12:08:32 UTC
please verify in CWS vcl98
Comment 53 Olaf Felka 2009-01-26 11:27:27 UTC
OF: Looks good for me in cws vcl98.
Comment 54 Graham Perrin 2009-01-26 18:08:50 UTC
OOoDEVm39 looks good to me. Thanks!
Comment 55 sierkb 2009-01-26 19:17:17 UTC
@gramphamperrin:
> OOoDEVm39 looks good to me.

For me still NOT. I still see the discussed issue in OOoDEVm39 german. :-(
Maybe finally fixed in OOoDEVm40?

@of:
Are the fixes of cws vcl98 already merged into OOoDEVm39? Or will they be in
OOoDEVm40?
Comment 56 Graham Perrin 2009-01-26 19:47:37 UTC
http://eis.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/cws.ShowCWS?Path=DEV300%2Fvcl98 
column Milestone (integrated) is empty at this time. 
Comment 57 Olaf Felka 2009-01-26 21:43:29 UTC
of: cws vcl98 is not integrated in master. Maybe it will reach m41. Please be
patient :-)
Comment 58 Olaf Felka 2009-02-17 09:49:11 UTC
Can you confirm that OOO310_m1 is ok?
Comment 59 sierkb 2009-02-18 12:08:57 UTC
@ of:

> Can you confirm that OOO310_m1 is ok?

From my point of view OOO310_m1 (german) seems to be OK concerning this issue. :-)
Thanks for fixing it.
Comment 60 Olaf Felka 2009-02-18 12:12:26 UTC
Thank you for your help!