Issue 124792

Summary:	List of Locale settings should point to the Location instead to a Language
Product:	General	Reporter:	mroe <mroe.nospam>
Component:	ui	Assignee:	AOO issues mailing list <issues>
Status:	CONFIRMED ---	QA Contact:
Severity:	Normal
Priority:	P3	CC:	elish, rainerbielefeld_ooo_qa
Version:	3.3.0 or older (OOo)
Target Milestone:	---
Hardware:	All
OS:	All
Issue Type:	DEFECT	Latest Confirmation in:	4.1.0-dev
Developer Difficulty:	---

Description mroe 2014-05-01 13:52:58 UTC

The list for Locale settings (e. g. in Tools -> Options -> Language Settings) uses the same list as any Language chooser.

But the /Loc/ale setting is bound to a /Loc/ation and not to any language.

So it should be sorted by the country as the first entry:

Examples:
Language:
French (Switzerland)
...
German (Switzerland)
...
Italian (Switzerland)

BUT Locale Setting should be:
...
Switzerland (French)
Switzerland (German)
Switzerland (Italian)
...

This would also correspondent to currency settings:
CHF SFr Liechtenstein (German)
CHF sFr Switzerland (French)
CHF SFr Switzerland (German)
CHF SFr Switzerland (Italian)

and NOT as actual:
CHF sFr French (Switzerland)
CHF SFr German (Liechtenstein)
CHF SFr German (Switzerland)
CHF SFr Italian (Switzerland)

Comment 1 Edwin Sharp 2014-05-01 15:11:02 UTC

What other software use this convention?

Comment 2 mroe 2014-05-01 15:35:16 UTC

(In reply to Edwin Sharp from comment #1)
> What other software use this convention?

Don't know. Why should it? Is AOO a clone from something? If other programs are stupid AOO should also be?

/Loc/ale settings are (first of all currencies) defined for a /Loc/ation (state/country) and not for any language. If one have to select a location then he should select a location and not a language. No more and no less.

Comment 3 Rainer Bielefeld 2014-05-01 16:10:14 UTC

(a) Advantage of suggested proceeding is that that sort order simply is 
    more plausible related to influence of that setting
(b) Disadvantage might be that the known Language related sort order is used 
    at several places and users might complain that the inconsequent, but known
    sort order is more handy that the consequent one.
(c) I wonder whether the list has relation to
(c1) International code tables
(c2) ODF
(d) May be such a new Localizations list can be shorter? only 1x Switzerland, 
    1x Norway, ... ? I am not sure where the settings of menu 'Tools
    Options -> Language Settings -> Language settings - Locale' has impact.
    Ordinal numbers will be different for Switherland (German) and 
    Switzerland (French)

I prefer to follow the request

Comparison with competitors _might_ be interesting, but I agree with  mroe that that is a very secondary argument. I did not find something equivalent in SoftMaker FreeOffice, KingSoft, Calligra.

Comment 4 Rainer Bielefeld 2014-05-01 16:10:46 UTC

I think this one is more UI related

Comment 5 Edwin Sharp 2014-05-01 17:47:34 UTC

(In reply to mroe from comment #2)
> Don't know. Why should it? Is AOO a clone from something? If other programs
> are stupid AOO should also be?
> 
> /Loc/ale settings are (first of all currencies) defined for a /Loc/ation
> (state/country) and not for any language. If one have to select a location
> then he should select a location and not a language. No more and no less.

Unfortunately, we live in a world where sometimes stupid is more successful than the deserved. This might confuse users.