Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Full Text Issue Listing
|Summary:||Change default bullet type|
|Component:||ui||Assignee:||AOO issues mailing list <issues>|
|Status:||CONFIRMED ---||QA Contact:|
|Priority:||P4||CC:||askoorb, bert.vanvreckem, diane, guido.pinkernell, gul, issues, jeongkyu.kim, jr, m.koot, Mathias_Bauer, nicolas.mailhot, scarr, sky22k, subscribe.becke|
|Version:||OOo 1.0.0||Keywords:||numbering, oooqa, rfe_eval_ok|
|Issue Type:||FEATURE||Latest Confirmation in:||---|
Description Unknown 2002-11-22 02:18:27 UTC
There doesn't seem to be any way to change the default bullet style... every time I bullet text, I have to go and change the bullet style!
Comment 1 diane 2003-02-14 00:50:59 UTC
I agree that there appears to be no way to change the default bullet style. I have hunted thru the OOo helps and played around a little with style setups. Have you? I cannot see this bullet that you explain, a large black circle with a 10 inside. My "default" bullet is a small black dot. So...I am wondering if we have a clue here, cuz you seem to have a different "default bullet" than I do. So, some questions (while hoping to get to the bottom of this issue, or at least figure out how to move it along): 1. What is your font? 2. Is the bullet you see in the choices shown when you go to the Format menu, and select "Numbering/Bullets, then the Bullets tab, or the Graphics tab (this one scrolls)? 3. Have you tried to go to "Numbering/Bullets, then the Options tab? Select Numbering=Bullet, Character Style=Bullet Symbols, then click on that little box with the "..." in it next to Character. When I do this, I see my bullet, it has the Open Symbol font selected, and the bullet shows with the numbers 0x2022 under it. There are other bullets in that list of characters in there. What do you see here? Is your "default bullet" in there somewhere? If so, please guide me to it. It did not seem that any bullet "stuck" with my doc after I selected it...but I admit I am pretty green at some of this stuff. You have a different bullet than I, so I am thinking that somehow, there is a way to set a default...we just gotta figure out what it is. I am willing to dig into this if you can provide me with a few details to help me along with it. I have seen some squirrelly stuff in my travels too for this issue too, so I am wondering what I will see if I try to see what you see. Also, I am running the English version of 1.0.2. We may have differences due to that. Which language do you run? If English, will you upgrade to 1.0.2? I am running my tests on win98se.
Comment 2 askoorb 2003-06-06 17:55:08 UTC
As this issue is getting old, may i suggest upgrading to 1.1beta2 and changing the issue to reflect the new version?
Comment 3 diane 2003-06-06 20:39:26 UTC
Hi, I was never able to see the issue described. Although a recent mail message discusses it: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=655607&listName=discuss Skoorb, have you ever seen it? And if so, did the 1.1 beta2 make it go away? Or does the issue still exist in 1.1beta2? I no longer run mswindows, and was not able to confirm the issue, in order to move it to new. Can you? It must be font related? Or maybe related to msoffice xfers? I used old office for win95, so my tests might not be the same as those using office97 or later versions. Maybe this is why I could not see it. Or perhaps something to do with the opensymbol font handling? In the email link, the reporter mentions the empty rectangles, which sounds like a missing font to me. This has been a typical sighting in issues related to the opensymbol font. Perhaps because more than one user has mentioned it, we should try to isolate its cause, and attempt to confirm it...no matter which version of OOo? I wonder if the release notes mention it. I will look into this. Because both users tie it to 1.0.0, and I could not see it in 1.0.2 on the same OS as reported, perhaps it should be closed as "works for me". I can do that, because of my earlier tests. In light of this thought, I too would suggest that the reporters try an upgrade to see if that makes the default bullet more bearable. I will attempt to reach the reporter on the mail list, to ask if an upgrade has been attempted to address the issue. I'll follow up with feedback here.
Comment 4 diane 2003-06-06 21:00:35 UTC
here is an email link from the users list with a solution: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=443850&listName=users
Comment 5 diane 2003-06-06 21:43:01 UTC
In digging further, version 1.0.2 still showed some issues with the opensymbol font (ref. Issue 6555). OOo1.1beta addressed the issue described in #6555, but then another issue regarding opensymbol showed up (ref. Issue 13516, which was marked as duplicate to Issue 12257). Not sure how the bullet issue fits into all of this, but it looks like OOo 1.1beta2, as skoorb suggested, is the best choice of upgrades to address this issue. I reviewed release notes for this issue and did not find it listed against any specific release. Some feedback from someone who has actually witnessed this issue would be most helpful to verify that it no longer exists.
Comment 6 diane 2003-06-12 22:54:39 UTC
Here is a mail link that contains a little bit of data toward this issue: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?msgId=711096&listName=users Also, another user, who has seen this issue, will likely look into it to try to provide some data about it...so hopefully soon, some useful notes will be attached to show if the issue still exists.
Comment 7 scarr 2003-06-26 03:50:33 UTC
The Black Circle with a "10" has been fixed in 1.1Beta2. Setting the Default Bullet type would make a good feature request.
Comment 8 diane 2003-06-26 11:33:36 UTC
Marking issue as a feature request, guessed target milestone at OOo 2.0, and changed status to new to show request of changing default bullet type.
Comment 9 stefan.baltzer 2003-07-22 17:39:50 UTC
I adjusted the title to the current state in OOo 1.1 Beta because the mentioned defect is fixed now. Reassigned to Bettina.
Comment 10 bettina.haberer 2003-10-21 14:43:55 UTC
Considered for Office later.
Comment 11 guido.pinkernell 2005-10-17 20:53:09 UTC
What about connecting the default bullet type to a bullet style? Then changing the default would be easy, just by changing the corresponding style. By the way: This would be consistent with the way of handling or modifying other styles like default paragraph styles or default page styles. I.e. save the modifications into a new template, which at present isn't possible with the default bullet style.
Comment 12 guido.pinkernell 2005-11-30 14:50:09 UTC
*** Issue 34795 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 13 stefan.baltzer 2006-01-06 10:50:03 UTC
SBA: I believe skoorb who stated in (already closed) issue 45163, that this one looks like a duplicate. At times, the most interesting (yet still open) issue 59997 looks like reflecting the current "state of the art" behavior of OpenSymbol concerning bullets. SBA->BH: As discussed, I propose to close this one as duplicate of issue 59997. *** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 59997 ***
Comment 14 claudiadzm 2006-01-09 07:50:28 UTC
> SBA->BH: As discussed, I propose to close this one > as duplicate of issue 59997as duplicate of issue 59997 As I understand issue 59997, it treats only the question of the used fonts, whereas the subject of issue 9437 is the whish to define your own standard-bullet-style in writer-templates. Claudia
Comment 15 guido.pinkernell 2006-05-29 20:01:52 UTC
This issue is not about missing bullet fonts, as issue 59997 is about. But it is about the possibility of changing the default bullet type, i.e. changing the (existent) bullet type which is created when the user clicks on the bullet icon to some other (existent) bullet type. Will therefore reopen.
Comment 16 morganread 2006-05-29 22:38:19 UTC
I'll second that!
Comment 17 gertblij 2006-06-09 13:30:06 UTC
With all the great facilities to customise OpenOffice, it just is so silly not to be able to set a default bullet. Apart from the nuisance factor that using bullets is now either a multi-click operation (which I don't like) or forces me to have the stylist open all the time (which chews up precious screen estate).
Comment 18 mmartin_bln 2006-08-11 22:06:13 UTC
I'd gladly see this handled in a sooncoming release, since this is "bugging" me a lot. I use OOo as the only word processor in my business where I write a lot of technical documentation. I need bulleted lists a lot, sometimes several lists per page, because they make structuring texts (read mostly by laities) easier. It's quite a pain in the arse to change the bullet style manually all the time to something that works better with the CI Typography than the default small disc. For me it would suffice if one of the "List" styles in the Stylist were connected (or connectable) to the "Default" or "Text Body" Paragraph Style. This way the only thing one would have to do when designing one's templates would be to alter the "Default" List Style (or connect another one to the Paragraph style). This can already be done for Numbering, so why not for Bullets? I'll sponsor a Pack of my favourite Coffee (Greenpeace 100% Arabica) to the guy(s) implementing this. Take me at my word: martin dot meitzner att gmx dot net.
Comment 19 marcschroeder 2007-03-06 23:02:00 UTC
I think this issue should have a higher priority. It is relevant for all platforms (certainly not just windows 98!), and it hampers usability. For example, I would like to use the Unicode standard bullet character U+2022 as the default bullet in documents, so that bullets show correctly in hopefully any recent environment. I can do that the hard way, of course, by setting this character in the "List 1" numbering style, and associating that numbering style to the "List 1" paragraph style. As a result, starting a bullet list needs two clicks (to select the paragraph style from the drop-down menu), and, more importantly, ending the bullet list needs my attention (to change the paragraph font back to "Text Body" or whatever). Instead, it would be so much more intuitive to be able to use the "Bullets On/Off" button; but that gets me a different bullet (U+25CF from the StarSymbol font), too large for my taste, and with the wrong second-level bullet (an "o", I would like to see a "-"... you get the point). I use OpenOffice 2.1 on a Mac.
Comment 20 Mathias_Bauer 2007-03-23 19:19:23 UTC
This could be solved together with the addition of a "default list style" that is automatically applied when the automatic numbering/bulleting is used.
Comment 21 bettina.haberer 2007-09-26 16:01:37 UTC
Hi Mathias, I have changed the current owner to your owner. Please take the ownership of these enhancements.
Comment 22 mankyd 2007-11-10 22:28:29 UTC
I just lost a friend of mine as a convert to OOo as a result of this feature :( It is the one feature she needed, (for quick, properly formatted note taking.) I like the idea of applying a default list-style to lists generated with the bullet button.
Comment 23 Mathias_Bauer 2007-11-15 13:34:48 UTC
Comment 24 morganread 2007-11-17 23:59:04 UTC
Folks This ones been round for a while - great to see someones finally put a lid on it!
Comment 25 Mathias_Bauer 2008-04-21 12:57:14 UTC
UI change -> 3.1
Comment 26 dvc 2008-05-09 17:22:58 UTC
For bullets, we need to be able to set not only the bullet type, but the position. Even more importantly, we need to be able to set the numbering defaults (the settings the user gets when they push the numbering on button). This would include both the settings on the options page and on the position page. (Is numbering a separate feature request from bullets?)
Comment 27 michael.ruess 2008-10-17 15:44:15 UTC
*** Issue 95072 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 28 wyth 2008-10-26 15:09:43 UTC
There are a number of problems with bullets in OpenOffice 3.0 that this bullet revamping should address. There's a discussion about it going on in the forums at http://bit.ly/1yOu3, and I've attached picture in that forum comparing the problems between 3.0, 2.4, and MS Word. In short, OpenOffice 3.0 handles bullets made in MS Word doc files better than it handles making them itself or even odt files. Bullets made in a 3.0 writer file, whether odt or doc, are not visible after the first level. That same 3.0 odt file opened in 2.4 shows all the bullets, but they're all flushed left. That same 3.0 doc file opened in 2.4 looks like the 3.0 file -- no visible bullets after the first level. However, that same 3.0 doc file opened in MS Word looks fine. A doc file with bullets made in MS Word appears correctly in 2.4 and 3.0. One would expect that OpenOffice could at least handle bullets in its own file format.
Comment 29 bertvv 2008-10-26 17:22:41 UTC
@wyth: I noticed the same issue after upgrading from 2.4 to 3.0. However, when you have deeply nested lists, there will be a bullet (black circle) on levels 1, 4, 7, etc. Maybe this is a font issue? I don't quite understand why the perfectly reasonable default bullets from 2.4 were replaced with something clearly broken... By the way, I run OpenOffice.org on Ubuntu Hardy. I installed it following these instructions: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/10/14/install-openofficeorg-30-in-ubuntu-804-and-810/
Comment 30 Mathias_Bauer 2008-11-18 15:54:41 UTC
please take over
Comment 31 tralex 2008-11-19 11:23:36 UTC
I am new here, but the two comments dated 26 Oct 08 seem off topic. They refer to a serious defect rather than to a new feature and as such should probably be captured in a separate Issue# with higher priority? Perhaps such issue already exhist in the database? I am seeing similar problems - see http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11107&p=57599#p57599
Comment 32 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2008-11-19 12:24:30 UTC
OD->tralex: I agree to you. OD->wyth, bertvv: - The non-visible bullet characters seems to be font problem. Please check, if the OpenSymbol font, which is included in the OOo installation is correctly installed. - Regarding the problem of "OOo 3.0 text documents in OOo 2.x" please have a look at specification "New position and space attributes for list levels of a list style" found at http://specs.openoffice.org/writer/numbering/NewListLevelAttrs.odt - especially chapter 2 "Migration". - For the change to the bullet characters please have a look at issue 63395 and at my OOoCon 2008 presentation, found at http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2008/programme/friday_1422.odp or http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2008/programme/friday_1422.pdf If there are still problems, I want to ask you to submit corresponding new issues. Thanks. BTW, 1. The OpenDocument file format is not OpenOffice.org's own file format. It has been created by OASIS and is controlled by OASIS. 2. OOo 3.0 supports ODF 1.2, while OOo 2.x only supports ODF 1.0 resp. ODF 1.1 - thus, a user can not expect that everything is preserved, when opening a ODF 1.2 document created by OOo 3.0 in OOo 2.x This issue's purpose is to solve the problem, that the user can not change the default bullet list style and the default numbering list style.
Comment 33 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2008-11-27 10:08:02 UTC
I had talked about this issue on the OOoCon with Jacqueline (email@example.com). We had made the decision that it would make more sense to first have a look at the whole numbering/list area and its known defects and workout appropriate actions/needed changes in a specification or something similar in order to have a better improvement/correction of the numbering/list area. This work will take some time with the goal to have a solution for OOo 3.2 or OOo 3.3. Thus, I re-target this issue to OOo 3.2
Comment 34 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2009-07-06 14:32:24 UTC
due to limited resources I have to re-target this issue to OOo 3.3
Comment 35 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2009-10-14 15:49:35 UTC
setting keyword "numbering"
Comment 36 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2009-12-03 14:47:23 UTC
It is not clear, if this issue will be solved for OOo 3.3. To be honest, I am adjusting the target.
Comment 37 svartberg 2010-04-08 08:48:57 UTC
Yes I've been having this issue as well for many years now, specifically setting default position for bullets/numbering. Shame it hasn't been fixed for 8 years, seems to me as something fundumental.
Comment 38 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2010-04-08 09:37:57 UTC
od->svartberg: I agree. This issue is not solved yet due to limited resources.
Comment 39 ssrublev 2010-06-17 11:47:05 UTC
Oh Lord please fix it finally!!!
Comment 40 jcea 2010-10-19 19:53:51 UTC
Hope this is solved in 3.3...
Comment 41 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 2010-10-20 09:34:50 UTC
I am sorry. This is issue is not solved for OOo 3.3 I hope I can work on it for OOo 3.4
Comment 42 sky22k 2012-01-10 01:37:03 UTC
Hope that this issue will be resolved in the near future. Raptor88
Comment 43 R. Becke 2013-10-18 13:06:37 UTC
Is there any update on this issue whether it will get fixed in OpenOffice or LibreOffice?
Comment 44 R. Becke 2013-10-21 05:21:40 UTC
Hi together, FYI (& FYA) I've added this bug to the list of enhancemts in LibreOffice: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement If you like I would suggest to vote for this enhancement. Thx & Regards