Issue 1428 - mailing list archive (date sorted) put new posts on bottom - very slow
Summary: mailing list archive (date sorted) put new posts on bottom - very slow
Status: CLOSED FIXED
Alias: None
Product: Infrastructure
Classification: Infrastructure
Component: Upgrade (show other issues)
Version: current
Hardware: All Other OS
: P2 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Unknown
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Reported: 2001-08-06 13:13 UTC by khendricks
Modified: 2003-12-06 14:52 UTC (History)
3 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Description khendricks 2001-08-06 13:13:29 UTC
The mailing list archives in the old openoffice org always (and correctly IMHO)
always put the newest posts on at the top allowing users to easily see activity
on mailing lists that they were not currently subscribed too.

The new openoffice.org (when date sorted) always puts the newest posts at the
bottom which means the user must hit "Next" two or more times (and in higer
volume lists possibly lots more) just to see what the most recent posts are.

This is simply inefficient and slows access unnecessarily.

Please revert to the older behavior when sorting by date (newest posts on
the top) or if that is impossible then a slightly worse solution would be to 
create one link that will take you directly to the end of the archive.

Most of the other big projects (KDE, gdb, gcc, glibc, glibc ... )
put the newest posts on top in their archives for just this reason.

Thanks,

Kevin


Thanks,

Kevin
list easily
Comment 1 Unknown 2001-08-06 18:04:04 UTC
This issue is assigned to support@openoffice.org.  It is my
understanding that this is not the purpose of the support mailing
list.  Can we reassign to a person to stop the unneccessary mails to
my inbox?
Just lookin out for myself! ;)
Michelle
Comment 2 mtg 2001-08-08 20:08:13 UTC
I tried to reassign it to 'louis@openoffice.org' but I am not "the 
owner or submitter of the issue, or a sufficiently empowered user." I 
would add 'extremely annoying' and 'makes the mailing list archives 
unusable' to Kevin's description of the problem. Maybe you could add 
another option 'Summarise by Date - last first'.

Kevin - maybe you could reassign it to Louis yourself?

Martin
Comment 3 khendricks 2001-08-08 20:14:52 UTC
As Martin Suggested, I am trying to reassign this to 
louis@openoffice.org.

Hope this works!

Louis, if that isn't right, please let me know and I will try
something else.

;-)

Comment 4 lsuarezpotts 2001-08-08 20:25:22 UTC
okay, I went to the man who knows, EdK, and he told me that there are people with skill working on this problem. I asked: how long until it is resolved? and he said "it's in progress." Translation: don't hold your breath, but it will happen, because enough people are annoyed and expressing that annoyance. 
Because there is not much I can do now with this, am resolving this to "wontfix."
louis
Comment 5 Unknown 2001-08-08 21:14:34 UTC
Louis, tell edk he has got to be kidding ...

It's a servlet! All is needed to be done is reverse the sort criteria.

Note that people are not asking for both features; they only want it
the way it used to be.

Jason, can you dig a little into that BrowseList servlet? I am sure it
won't take more than 10 minutes...

Thanks,

Max
Comment 6 lsuarezpotts 2001-08-08 21:18:59 UTC
Ah, Max, 
i should hope he was kidding. Yes, it's a simple fix. I'll raise the hue and cry here at 
HQ.
louis
Comment 7 Unknown 2001-08-08 21:43:09 UTC
In EdK's defense, the paging mechanism (so you can view X many messages 
at a time, stepping forward and backward) makes it a non-trivial change.  Without 
paging you could just reorder the query.  With paging, you have to change the 
servlet, the db query logic, the templates, and perhaps other things.  It's 
complicated enough that you'd have to do some thinking and testing.  It's not a 
nasty change, but not a one-liner either.

BTW, the archive software used now is entirely different than before, so it's not 
really a "set the tool's feature set like it was before" but rather "make the new tool 
behave like the old tool".  :-)

I agree the change needs to happen.

-jh-
Comment 8 lsuarezpotts 2001-08-10 00:17:37 UTC
believe it, Max. It is a "feature request." Meaning the next build, meaning wait until 
next favorite time period (or the apocalypse, whichever comes soonest). 
Suggestion: that Sun request this specifically....
louis
Comment 9 stx123 2001-08-10 00:47:42 UTC
I would like to track this as resolved later.
Comment 10 khendricks 2001-08-10 14:15:37 UTC
In the interim,  perhaps simply a link to take you to the end of 
every list would be helpful.

I do this now myself by looking at the URL of the page in the 
mailing list archive and the
first=1&&count=YYY and manually editing the url to make first = 
YYY-20 (or whatever the page max is).

Upon hitting enter, that brings me to the latest posts at the end of 
that mailing list.

If we had a link that did just that (moved you to count-pagesize) 
then I would be happy to examine the list by paging "backwards" 
through the messages from the most recent at the end.

This link should not require any sorting changes would it?

It is not perfect, but should be easy to implement with no 
underlying changes and should help make everyone happier until you 
get around to rewriting things for this "feature" request.

What do people think?

  


Comment 11 stx123 2001-08-10 17:55:43 UTC
Is Kevin's idea sounds promising to me.
Comment 12 lsuarezpotts 2001-08-10 19:13:05 UTC
this idea sounds good; but not sure what exactly would need to be done for this to 
work (ie, is it a manual placement of a link or a generated one).
louis
Comment 13 lsuarezpotts 2001-08-22 02:06:11 UTC
For what it is worth, I have been informed that this issue has been resolved, just not for us. I have tried to arrange for Max Lanfranconi to work with collabnet to implement the fix in OOo, but don't know what the status of that collaboration is.
louis
Comment 14 lsuarezpotts 2001-09-04 06:25:03 UTC
I do not know when this enhancement (last date first) will be 
implemented. But, as a stop-gap solution, do this:
1. when in the archive, go to the url in the browser
2. switch the end with the start. 
3. press return (enter, go, whatever).
thus, ...1 to 500,
becomes 500 to 1
works for me.
louis
Comment 15 Unknown 2001-11-13 23:23:09 UTC
Being tracked by issue pcn5999 internally.
Comment 16 stx123 2001-11-15 18:23:33 UTC
Please evaluate whether the fix can be backported from 1.3 to 1.1.
Comment 17 Unknown 2001-11-15 19:34:36 UTC
To clarify:

For the upgrade this coming Monday this fix will not be implemented. 
Backporting a fix from 1.3 to an earlier version of Scast was 
discussed at the Issue meeting previous to the OOO upgrade meeting. 
This will be researched by Cecilia and Gabby as to viability and 
details added to this issue.
Comment 18 stx123 2001-11-24 21:45:47 UTC
Please let the party in charge of a resolving activity be owner of the
issue.
Comment 19 Unknown 2001-11-26 06:43:21 UTC
Kat,

Can you please track this issue and add the internal issue updates as 
they become available?

thanks
Comment 20 Unknown 2001-12-04 01:17:38 UTC
A fix has been backported to SourceCast1.1.3 and will be available at
the next upgrade to this version.
Comment 21 Unknown 2001-12-19 23:26:14 UTC
Adding the version this is addressed in to the Status Whiteboard
field.

Kat
Comment 22 Unknown 2002-01-15 18:46:29 UTC
Reassigning all of kat's open issues to support so that I can go through them.
Comment 23 Unknown 2002-01-15 19:05:29 UTC
Admin note: Internal issue number: PCN5999; Target Milestone: 1.1.2;
Status: Resolved.
Comment 24 Unknown 2002-02-13 01:49:19 UTC
We've brought this live on the site.  Please verify.
Comment 25 lsuarezpotts 2002-02-13 03:31:38 UTC
verified.
louis
Comment 26 stx123 2002-03-05 14:32:29 UTC
verified and closed