Issue 39656 - Need more symbols and more symbol enhancemens like in ZED
Summary: Need more symbols and more symbol enhancemens like in ZED
Status: CONFIRMED
Alias: None
Product: Math
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1.1
Hardware: PC Linux, all
: P3 Trivial with 11 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: AOO issues mailing list
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URL: http://www.ual.es/~jjcanada/mfis/prac...
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Reported: 2004-12-29 10:32 UTC by kukulis
Modified: 2013-02-07 22:39 UTC (History)
4 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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The ZED help book; has 13 pages; for this issue interesting are 6 and 7 pages (154.90 KB, application/pdf)
2004-12-29 10:35 UTC, kukulis
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Description kukulis 2004-12-29 10:32:28 UTC
1) Need double alphabet symbols like in latex: \mathbb for any symbol. For
example I need double S and double V.
2) need more symbols like in ZED formal language. For example there are such
symbols in latex (need install zed module into the latext to support the
folowing symbols ): 
\spot  (filled circle - very necessary ),
\lbag (double [ ),
\rbag ( double ]]) ,
\mapsto (right arrow with foundament in the left ),
\dres (empty triangle that points to the left ),
\rres (empty triangle that points to the right ),
\ndres (striked triangle that points to the left ),
\nrres ( striked tirangle that points to the right ).

I found there is a zed help book in the Internet:
http://www.ual.es/~jjcanada/mfis/practicas/LATEX/zed2e.pdf
Comment 1 kukulis 2004-12-29 10:35:05 UTC
Created attachment 20892 [details]
The ZED help book; has 13 pages; for this issue interesting are 6 and 7 pages
Comment 2 michael.ruess 2004-12-29 10:49:23 UTC
reassigned to "requirements".
Comment 3 georgaubele 2005-01-27 14:40:48 UTC
As "divide" sign should also ":" not italic be possible without having to write
"nitalic : "
Comment 4 kukulis 2005-01-27 15:06:26 UTC
Also I need the double arrow like <->
In latex ZED module it is a command \rel.
The best would be if somebody created all the characters desribed in  the
zed2e.pdf file.
May be I could make the symbols?
Could anybody tell how to do that, and how to include them into open office math
formula editor?
Comment 5 georgaubele 2005-01-27 15:08:44 UTC
Im working as a maths teacher in germany and here, the symbol for a division is
simply a ":" (colon , no dash in the middle). Therefore I will not use the "div"
symbol from the formula editor because me students won't understand (at least
some of them). I have to use a colon, in the formula editor the colon is always
shown with italic attribute so I have to write for every division "a nitalic :
b" to get the result "a : b", that I need in my papers at school.

I would in common appreceate a larger amount of symbols like in Latex ("double"
letters, I think they are called "Fraktur", and also a mapsto-symbol like in Latex).
Comment 6 georgaubele 2005-11-29 12:50:15 UTC
Is someone working on this issue? 

I would volunteer, too! The symbols are IMHO a really important step!
Comment 7 georgaubele 2005-12-19 08:03:00 UTC
Why is this issue not assigned to anybody?

Whom can I contact if I awatn to help solving this issue?
Comment 8 georgaubele 2006-03-28 14:46:42 UTC
OK - I installed Cygwin and Fontforge and I will try to modify the symbol font
in a way to get the double alphabet (I think it's called "Euler Fraktur") and
most of the symbols explained in "zed2e.pdf". Whom should I contact?
Comment 9 georgaubele 2007-12-04 11:13:39 UTC
Unfortunately I had no luck in creating an adequate font. Could somebody try to
push this one forward to someone that is able to implement the symbols?
Comment 10 nmailhot 2008-11-12 10:16:40 UTC
Please do not add new fonts with custom encodings.

If you want to further math symbol support, check OO.o works well with the STIX
fonts (stix.org the beta strangely licensed STIX version is supposed to be
replaced by an OFL release soon).

If somehow you do not want to depend on STIX submit patches to add the needed
symbols to dejavu (dejavu.sf.net) since dejavu is already distributed with OO.o
and should already contain many math symbol at the official unicode.org codepoints
Comment 11 georgaubele 2008-11-12 13:14:54 UTC
Correct weblinks are

Stix: http://www.stixfonts.org/
DejaVu Fonts: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dejavu/

The Problem is not the availability of symbol fonts on the net, but the
availability of the symbols in the formula editor without much "hand work". So
if the symbol font(s) of OO.o will contain more symbols that can then be reached
by simply typing a shortcut into the formula editor (like "\mapsto") or by
clicking a button in the catalogue, that would solve that issue.
Comment 12 nmailhot 2008-11-12 13:25:28 UTC
@georgaubele 

I was refering to your comment of Tue Mar 28 14:46:42 +0000 2006 
There is no need to tweak the symbol font anymore since fonts supporting common
math symbols already exist and one of them, dejavu, is now bundled with OO.o
Comment 13 georgaubele 2008-11-12 15:25:43 UTC
Ah ... ok, great! I did not realize, that I have installed new fonts with OO.o
3.0.0 :)

So I now start including these fonts into the catalog of the formula editor.

http://dejavu.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dejavu/trunk/dejavu-fonts/unicover.txt
gives a summery, which symbol is in which font.

A more "visual" way of finding the symbols could be achieved by using the
freeware "dp4 Font Viewer".
Comment 14 nmailhot 2008-11-12 15:53:48 UTC
Just be careful that the dejavu in OO.o is not the latest version, so it may
have a bit less coverage.

I do believe however that if you find significant enhancements in the latest
dejavu version you can ask the OO.o dev to update the bundled dejavu for the
next OO.o release
Comment 15 lapsap7+ooo 2011-06-14 07:20:17 UTC
(In reply to comment #10)
> [deleted]
> 
> If somehow you do not want to depend on STIX submit patches to add the needed
> symbols to dejavu (dejavu.sf.net) since dejavu is already distributed with OO.o
> and should already contain many math symbol at the official unicode.org
> codepoints

I'm also quite annoyed by missing symbols.

I've been to DejaVu website and clicked around to see if there's any list showing what Unicode characters are supported by which DejaVu font but I failed to find such list.  However, in STIX website, such list exists and it's easy to find.

On the other hand, STIX seems to be a general, human languages-oriented font rather than a mathematics-oriented font like STIX.  So I wonder if "adding more math symbols" is the first priority for DejaVu.

Well, as a simple user, what I'd really care is whether my math expression is shown or not.  I have no interest to get into any font war among OpenSymbol, DejaVu and STIX.  It would be nice if they could combine symbols into official font, or drop the font if other fonts have better support (ie they have more symbols).
Comment 16 lapsap7+ooo 2011-06-14 07:25:05 UTC
(In reply to comment #15)
> On the other hand, STIX seems to be a general, human languages-oriented font
> rather than a mathematics-oriented font like STIX.  So I wonder if "adding more
> math symbols" is the first priority for DejaVu.

Oops!  I wanted to mean "*DejaVu* seems to be a general, human languages-oriented font....."