Issue 41105 - Very Poor User Interface for Desired Page Nos
Summary: Very Poor User Interface for Desired Page Nos
Status: CLOSED DUPLICATE of issue 7065
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: ui (show other issues)
Version: OOo 1.1
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: michael.ruess
QA Contact: issues@sw
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Keywords: oooqa
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2005-01-21 18:02 UTC by mkol
Modified: 2005-01-22 10:14 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Issue Type: ENHANCEMENT
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Developer Difficulty: ---


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Description mkol 2005-01-21 18:02:41 UTC
OOo Writer has a feature to give a page a desired page no. but the user 
interface for it is extremely poor and confusing. Here is the description -

(1) Click Insert -> fields -> Page no, to insert the page no. Double click on 
the inserted page no to open Page Nos dialog box. You will see an Offset Box. 
This box does nothing good but confuse (Read harass) innocent users. (Example 
of a very frivolous GUI).

(2) Now what OOo 1.1.0 Writer's help document has to say on inserting the 
desired page No. I am reproducing the text verbatim 

“If you want to change the actual page number and not the displayed number, do 
not use the Offset value, but choose Insert - Manual Break, and then select a 
new page style.â€

OK I follow this advice and do the following -
I click File -> New -> Text Document to open a new text document. I want Page 
No 5 on this page.

I click Insert -> Manual Break. From the resulting dialog box I select Type = 
page break, style = default, change page no (selected) and value = 5. and lo, 
I end up with 3 pages.

Page 1

Page 2 (OOo issue tracker is brimming with complaints on why and how this page 
came from - Another example of Impractical design !)

Page 3 (My desire page) - If I insert page no here then only I can get the 
desired page no.

Now my question is what will I do with the Page No 1 and (A Bonus) Page No 2?

This is the quality of the help documentation, which came with the OOo ! :-(

(3) Now I follow what OOo Issue tracker advices -
I click File -> New -> Text Document to open a new text document. I want Page 
No 5 on this page.

I Click Format - > Paragraph. -> Text flow tab -> Brakes = Enabled, Type = 
Page, Position = Before, with Page style = default, Page No = 5.

I get the desired Page No on the 1 st page itself (Thanks !)

Now what Word (2K) has to offer
I Insert Page No. A dialog box ask me Position, Alignment, Format and desired 
Page Numbering etc. I select the desired things and I get the desired (and 
EXPECTED!) results !

Now My suggestion are -
At least as of now remove offset Box altogether.
Insert a hyper link to point to a detailed (And Correct!) help documentation.
Add a button to open paragraph dialog box from there itself.

Later on you please try to do what other (Somewhat more friendly!) office 
suits are trying to do in this matter. An end user is more concerned with how 
page nos are printed or displayed on screen. How word processor store page Nos 
internally is more of a word processor's business and not theirs.

Thanks.

An OpenOffice.org Well Wisher
Comment 1 flibby05 2005-01-21 22:39:40 UTC
defect -> enhancement
Comment 2 mkol 2005-01-22 07:33:34 UTC
Mkol -> maxweber
Are not User Interface defects, defects? So many users (including myself) have 
wasted so many hours in figuring out on how to insert the desired Page No in a 
document.

Mkol -> OOo UI Team
Please consider following UI suggestions -

put the Page Nos option in the Insert Menu itself, because it used very 
frequently.

Give users 2 Options - wizard and dialog box, like -
Insert -> Page Numbers -> Through Wizard
upon selecting it a user friendly wizard will open. It will guide the user 
through desired position, alignment, format, PAGE NO START COUNT etc. it will 
be more suitable for new users

Insert -> Page Numbers -> Through Dialog Box
upon selecting it, A user will be shown a dialog box containing frequently 
used options (including PAGE NO START COUNT!) and an advance button where user 
can select infrequently used options.

Not only it should solve desired page no problem, but also make the whole 
thing easier.

Thanks.
Comment 3 lohmaier 2005-01-22 10:14:21 UTC
The decistion whether defect or not is made from a technical point of view:

If it works as it has been designed it is not a defect.

If the design is bad, it has to be improved -> enhancement.

So it is not a User-interface defect, since the UI does what is is supposed to
do. (not necessarily what the user expects)

Anyway: duplicate.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 7065 ***
Comment 4 lohmaier 2005-01-22 10:14:59 UTC
closing duplicate.