Created attachment 23159 [details]
proposed changes

SBA: reassigned to ER.

Daniel,

Seems reasonable, also
http://www-950.ibm.com/software/globalization/icu/demo/locales?d_=en&_=pl_PL
lists the yyyy-mm-dd format now. However, changing the date separator only in
this case isn't really sufficient. The date formats of the D.M.Y forms using the
dot should be adapted too.

Btw: I didn't find your name in the list of copyright approvals,
http://www.openoffice.org/copyright/copyrightapproved.html
Please sign the JCA before we can integrate your contribution, see
http://www.openoffice.org/contributing/programming.html

But please, never attach entire files as updates, only diffs produced by the
"diff -u" command, otherwise a file would overwrite changes done in the mean
time when blindly copied.

Thanks
Eike

Daniel,

By browsing through the copyright approvals document I saw that in the mean time
you signed the JCA. A short notice in this issue could have speeded up things..

Please carry out the changes in the remaining date formats I mentioned above,
before doing so please cvs update your pl_PL.xml file to the then recent
revision and finally attach the output of
cvs diff -u pl_PL.xml
instead of an entire file.

Thanks
Eike

Long time no hear, nevertheless retargeting this issue to OOo2.0.1, would do the
necessary changes myself.

On branch cws_src680_locales201:
i18npool/source/localedata/data/pl_PL.xml 1.10.20.1

Reassigning to QA.

re-open issue and reassign to oc@openoffice.org

reassign to oc@openoffice.org

reset resolution to FIXED

verified in internal build cws_locales201

closed because fix available in OOo2.0m142

I think this is wrong. An office package should help people to write texts in
their language, so number formats should conform to spelling rules, not to
technical standards.

And the spelling rules read as follows:

"Dates written with arabic numbers are to be separated with dots e.g. [...]
6.9.1994 [...] Except for special cases, as requirements of computer information
processing or official business rules, or law rules, no other symbols should be
used to separate the elements of a date (e.g. hyphens: 1-1-1995)."

There are no such "requirements" here because if only the date is spelled
according to spelling rules, and the locale is conforming to spelling rules, OO
will interpret the date correctly. And there are no "law rules" that would force
people not to use dots.

"Also, no other order should be used than: day, month, year."

This is even more unambiguous.

The citations come from the "Nowy słownik ortograficzny PWN" ("PWN New
Dictionary of Orthography") which certainly is the most renowned and up-to-date
source for Polish spelling rules. See
http://slowniki.pwn.pl/zasady/629747_1.html (in Polish).

The statement that "We [are?] rather using ISO standards in Poland" is true but
not applicable here. In Germany, Austria, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Slovenia ISO
standards are used too, however their locales are conforming to spelling rules
not to ISO, so it's M.D.YYYY there and this is correct.

For some unknown reason YYYY-MM-DD is in Microsoft's Polish locale--which is
totally opposite to Polish customs and rules--but I can see no reason to follow
this poor language practice in OO. OO shouldn't be contributing to spoiling
Polish language by computer engineers who unfortunately have forgotten what they
had been taught in school. Please change the locale back!

I'm sorry I didn't react earlier but I came upon this issue only after upgrading
to version 2.0.1 last week.

It seems the situation is not that clear for the pl_PL locale. According to the CLDR

http://www.unicode.org/cldr/data/diff/main/pl_PL.html#416
for a medium date format the following platforms have yyyy-MM-dd:
Common, SUNJDK, IBMJDK, Solaris, AIX

http://www.unicode.org/cldr/data/diff/main/pl_PL.html#427
for a short date format the following platforms have yy-MM-dd or yyyy-MM-dd:
Windows, IBMJDK, AIX, Linux, HP
Common has dd.MM.yy though.

Daniel, you as the original submitter of this issue, could you please comment on
this?

Thanks
  Eike

1. DateSeparator - I was wrong, and agree with luke89.
2. Date format "yyyy-MM-dd" - I don't change my word. I always use this format.
I'm technician and We rather likes standards.

All tools are for people, and people make e decision.

Daniel,

You must be joking. So we did this change only because YOU are a technician and
YOU like to use ISO standard and this is nothing about the standard used in
Poland?!? I'll bring this topic up on the dev@l10n mailing list.

  Eike

Yes, in Poland date SHOULD be written in ISO format, but practically most people
use DD-MM-YYYY or DD.MM.YYYY. Question is: should OO.o follow unpopular
standards, or rather common used practice? IMHO standards are for people, not
people for standards.

gkocur> Yes, in Poland date SHOULD be written in ISO format

Who says so? Is there any official statement/reference/document demanding this?

Yes, there is official standard PN-90/N-01204. This document is not available
on-line for free, but it is equivalent to ISO 8601. See for ex.
http://www.ie.iwi.unibe.ch/services/initiativen/iso8601.php.

But: this standard is not often used. So, IMO OO.o polish default format should
be DD-MM-YYYY.

gkocur> DD-MM-YYYY

That's again something different and would be the third variant then. It uses
hyphen '-' instead of dot '.' as a separator, in contrary to what 'luke89' said
and Daniel lately agreed with.

After reading again what luke89 wrote I agree, "." is better choice.