Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 88989
Images move/misalign when Inserted into Master Document
Last modified: 2008-05-09 22:42:35 UTC
A past problem of images moving around in .odt files in ver 2.3 seems to have become manageable in ver 2.4; at least now once positional corrections are made, they remain fixed. Whether this was an intentional fix I don't know but I am using the same identical documents now that I used when first experiencing it in version 2.3. As I said, that seems to have been fixed somehow. Unable to determine this is a duplicate problem in the searches here. NOW, in version 2.4, when I Import larger documents with images, the Master Document is now exhibiting the SAME problem I used to see in ver 2.3 with .odt files. Create .odt file including images, to be used as a subdocument in .odm file. Create Master Document. Insert | File using Navigator icon: Images have changed positions, left table cells, overlapped, and in some cases hide images via the overlaps. Checked original .odt file; all images are OK. Back to .odm file; messed up images. In paring down the size of the original file (52 Meg) to about 2.7Meg, in order to get it small enough to submit easily, I noticed that the smaller the file got, the less the image repositioning became. The files 1.odt and 1MastDoc.odm are the results of that paring down in size. If necessary I can make the full, original .odt file available on my web site for download in order to demonstrate the full impact of the damage when it is inserted into a Master Document as a sub-document. All one would need to do is add it as a sub document to a Master Document to see what I'm talking about. I have Restarted/rebooted the computer and several other things in order to be sure it wasn't a problem with my system. The problems are easily reproducable and I've reproduced it at least 4 times. I leave the cc: and assigned to: for the PTB. This is only my second stab at submitting an issue. Any and all furhter needed information gladly supplied promptly. Just ask. HTH and Regards, Tom aka Twayne
Created attachment 53342 [details] Master Document containng subdocument 1.odt
The original and complete document used for reporting this issue resides at: http://twaynesdomain.com/ooo/1.zip and may be downloaded from there. N O T E : It is largish, 53 Meg, and a .doc file, which is what I started with, just in case it's the .doc conversion causing some sort of problem. My procedure was as follows: 1. Open OOo. Open the .doc file "5-3 CHRONOLOGICALLY SPEAKING.doc (writen in/with Office/WORD 2002). 2. Check briefly for proper conversion, Saved As .odt file. 3. Closed OOo. Reopened OOo. 4. Saved As 1.odt in order to shorten filename and ease of use for others. 5. Opened 1.odt 6. Prepapred a blank Master Document. Added a line of text at the top of it for posterity & display assistance. 7. Used Navigator to Insert File 1.odt into the Master Document as a subdocument. 8. Noted serious misalignment of images starting about page 6 and throughout the rest of the master document. 9. Closed Master Document. 10. Opened subdocument and checked images/alignment/positioning. All was OK and within reason. Closed file. 11. Reopened Master Document. Still same image problems: some moved out of table cells, some overlapped text & text showed through them, some text didn't sow trhough, several places images on a page all moved togehter, overlapping each other. It was consistant throughout the Master Document but nothing like it was in the original subdocument. Editting of course, can not be done in the Master Document, so there was no way I could see to work around this situation. After several more attempts and using various methods I could figure out and getting the results each time, I finally concluded something serious had to be amiss. Today I perforemd a Cold Boot of my machine and repeated the entire process again, only to come up with the same results. I was sure they would be the same, but ... still worth begin positive. In down-sizing the .odt I attached with the original issue report, I noted that as I cut out more and more pages, the misalignments became a little less each time but never did stop happening. I finally stopped downsizing and submitted the .odt that is in the original attachment. Possibly related?? I noticed today, and have at other times, that while in the Master Document, if I started a scroll-down and got a few steps ahead of the screen, the scroll- down would not stop, couldn't be reversed, and insisted on going to the very end of the file before it returned control to the system. No idea if it's related or not. I'm not even sure that's new since version 2.3.
SOME EMPIRICAL TEST RESULTS: I've been doing some further experiments with the business of images misaligning and come up with something meaningful, I *think*. Overall, the misalignment occurs when the document is repaginated. Somehow, OOo repaginates in a way such that text positions and images are moved around AFTER they have been manually set. I can also create misalignment manually, just by adding text to an .odt document. Word by default, and I think OOo by default, anchor images to a paragraph. However, when adding text ahead of images, or worse, an image, the text below it pushes down as it should, but the images can't seem to follow the movement. For some reason they lose their anchor to the paragraph they were set to? In fact, many times the anchor, which is set to display, is GONE. Not lost in the background, whatever, but just not there. This will sometimes result in an image showing its bottom half at the top of the page, the top half lost above the page and not visible on the preceding page. That image can not be moved down to the previouslyu linked paragraph: it jumps back up to be only half shown at the very top every time. The ONLY way I've found to fix that is to change the anchor from Paragraph to Page. THEN I can successfully place the image wherever I want it, on THAT page, whre it belongs. But unfortunately, after that, the image can be moved freely up and down the page during repagination, meaning it won't stay anchored to the paragraph that discusses it. So, technically, the writer wants to put the anchor back to "para" so it will stay near the correct para, but then the susceptibility to serious misalignement returns. Apparently, and TOCs make this situation worse, documents are background repaginated even AFTER they have been properly set up by the author and the document looks just fine. WHY that repagination should move anything around, I can't imagine, since it was correct when I last left the document and Saved it. It's a bit less, but I'm seeing this occur now when creating PDF documents. The half an image at the top of a page in particular is occurring in the longer PDF documents, "longer" meaning about 30 to 50 pages. What's frustrating about that is, when you go back to the original documents to "repair" the positioning problem, everything looks fine there. It's almost like the images are transferred first, and then the text is slipped in, letting the images ... no that can't be; the anchors wouldn't work at all that way. Hmm. I'll quit second-guessing, but these above results are repeatable and most any file more than a few pages long with graphics embedded will demo what I'm talking about. I think manually being able to create them in a .odt file must be indicative of something though and the PDF issue must be similar. --
This is not fixable. The grphics which are placed "incorrect" are not anchored inside the tables (like on the first page), more to the text above. Thus they won't move together with the other graphic in the table. The same happens with the doc file in MS Word, when you move the table downwards.
Closed, not a bug here. Correctly anchored graphic won't "misbehave".
This is not fixable. The grphics which are placed "incorrect" are not anchored inside the tables (like on the first page), more to the text above. Thus they won't move together with the other graphic in the table. The same happens with the doc file in MS Word, when you move the table downwards. I think I disagree with the reasoning although I can understand why a cursory test would reveal this IFF my oen document were used since I probably did have bad anchors in it. However, I was about to submit a 5 page attachment showing images, some in cells and anshored to para text IN the cell, and others simply set right or left, anchored to paragraphs. I CAN demo that some images will 1. move out of their cell and 2. others will misalign, when I received the CLOSED notice. I wish someone had contacted me because I've been trying hard to get this test case put together for you. I'm disappointed and I feel brushed off, as though I wasted my time trying to be of any assistance. Since this issue can't/won't be fices or even more closely evaluated, you've left me with no option but to stick with MS Offiece and that's bad IMO. The comment that these same problems occur in Word is also incorrect because m Word documents are stable: ALL work was originated in Word, the images were stable, and simply creating a .odt document via Save OR creating a PDF showed the problems rather spectacularly. I won't be "bothering" you any more; you can also rescind my QA status and the other stuff too; I'll not be needing them since MS Office has to remain my application of choice. Regrards, and quite disappointed, Twayne