Issue 2261 - "Bullets" exported from OO become "Numberings" in Word
Summary: "Bullets" exported from OO become "Numberings" in Word
Status: CLOSED DUPLICATE of issue 3839
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: code (show other issues)
Version: 638
Hardware: PC Linux, all
: P2 Trivial with 1 vote (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: michael.ruess
QA Contact: issues@sw
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Reported: 2001-11-22 16:42 UTC by osavill
Modified: 2003-09-08 16:56 UTC (History)
2 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---


Attachments
This is two OO bullet styles (standart and big ones) exported to MS Office (19.67 KB, image/bmp)
2002-02-09 19:26 UTC, Unknown
no flags Details
Showing bullet problem also in help system (131.23 KB, image/jpeg)
2002-05-22 10:17 UTC, skandalfo
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Description osavill 2001-11-22 16:42:07 UTC
When a Bullet Point is added to an Open Office document it appears as a somewhat skinny grey box with a small dot inside it. When exported to a Word .doc file and loaded into Word they come out as tiny pin points. When highlighted it becomes apparent that Word considers them a "Numbering".

In reverse a bullet point in a Word document imported into OO shows as a much larger grey box with a larger black dot inside. However press return immediately after one and the next Bullet is a standard OO skinny one.
Comment 1 stefan.baltzer 2001-11-26 14:35:20 UTC
Reassigned to Michael.
Comment 2 michael.ruess 2001-11-28 16:05:42 UTC
The bullets are just displayed a bit different on the two systems. 
But it is the same content stored in the files.
That word considers them a number is no wonder. That´s because it is 
exported like this. Otherwise we won´t be able to put all Writer´s 
bullet- and numbering-levels into Word format.
Comment 3 michael.ruess 2001-11-28 16:06:00 UTC
Closed, because not a bug.
Comment 4 osavill 2001-11-28 16:24:13 UTC
I've no idea if this will be received since this OR has been closed but... how can you say this is not a bug ! "The bullets are just displayed a bit different on the two systems." is a complete understatement. Big bold bullets are happily imported from Word to Open Office as something else other than Open Office bullets (since for the life of me I have been unable to duplicate them exactly without importing one first !). If this same document is now saved to Word format these bullets become silly little pin points with no identation or space before the following text ! Moreover, the same thing happens to nice rosy bullet points in an origional Open Office document that is exported to Word ! Furthermore Word doesn't appear just make them all "Numberings", but somehow distinguishes between bullet points and genuine numberings. 

Shouldn't we all just pack up now since Word and Open Office are "just a bit different" and therefore should be able to live without importing / exporting each others files !
Comment 5 Unknown 2002-02-09 19:21:18 UTC
I also hit this bug. In my case, standart bullets were changed to 
something very obscure, I'll attach a picture. If it were a small 
difference then that would be OK. But that funny symbols means that I 
cannot export documents to MS Office at all - my colleagues will 
laugh at me & my OO usage.
Comment 6 Unknown 2002-02-09 19:26:34 UTC
Created attachment 1036 [details]
This is two OO bullet styles (standart and big ones) exported to MS Office
Comment 7 Unknown 2002-02-12 12:26:23 UTC
This looks like a duplicate of 3012...or vice versa.

I'm also seeing this bug. When using any of the bullet styles
available in OO, none of them convert properly to MS Word. The normal
size bullets appear in MS as a bullet with the number 10 in the middle
of it. The larger bullets appear as other weird characters in MS Word.
Comment 8 Unknown 2002-03-22 15:07:26 UTC
Is anyone working on this? This is a bug which is preventing users
from migrating away from MS Word. I think it deserves some attention.
Comment 9 Unknown 2002-04-22 17:34:32 UTC
I too am having trouble with bullets.  A document created in Word 97 
and imported to OO looks great but the bullets just don't print.  The 
formatting is fine, just an empty space.
Comment 10 Unknown 2002-05-17 18:12:18 UTC
The issue, when you load the document into winword 97, it thinks that
the paragraph is numbered, not bulleted. What's on the screen is an
odd-looking (and odder-printing) bullet paragraph. Now, if you turn
numbering off for the para, then bulletting, Word is happy again.

But, StarOffice 5.2 didn't have this issue.
Comment 11 skandalfo 2002-05-22 10:17:01 UTC
Created attachment 1737 [details]
Showing bullet problem also in help system
Comment 12 skandalfo 2002-05-22 10:18:54 UTC
I have just created a new attachment showing incorrect bullets also in the help 
system. The thing about showing strange bullet symbols in windows platforms seems 
to be rather related to choosing an incorrect dingbats font, or an incorrect 
encoding...
Comment 13 caolanm 2002-05-22 10:31:31 UTC
Two seperate things here people, one is bullets not working in word.
This is because the starsymbol font is not available under word if it
has not been installed, and private area symbols are used in this
font. So some sort of workaround is required. Most people's problems
here are with exporting to word, so see issue 4387 for details on that
specific issue, and issue 2192 for even more details. I'm considering
an enhancement to the exporter at the moment to tackle this.

The second issue is that the starsymbol font is not working in writer,
this is a true OOo bug, the screenshot in the later part of the issue
has nothing whatsoever to do with exporting to word, as indeed it is
displayed in the help so that is likely to be issue 4516.

Read issue 4387. Being "numbered" vs "bulleted" is a distinction that
only truly exists in the UI and to users, its not a true deep
distinction. Likewise in writer "outline lists" vs "bulleted" is also
a fairly artifical distinction.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 2192 ***
Comment 14 caolanm 2002-06-14 11:55:36 UTC
split them from font embedding
Comment 15 caolanm 2002-06-14 11:55:55 UTC
Going to solve this a different way.

*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 3839 ***
Comment 16 osavill 2002-06-14 14:10:05 UTC
If any one is interested there is a work around

1) Apply "bullets" with the "Bullets On/Off" button
2) Edit "Numberings/Bullets"
3) In the "Options" tab: ensure "Numbering" is set to "Bullets", set
the "Character Style" to "none", press the "Character ..." button;
ensure "Font" is set to "Open Symbols" and "Subset" is set to
"Geometric Shapes", then select the biggest blob you can !! (9th in on
the top row !). OK out of all that.
4) DON'T forget to put a space character as the first character after
each bullet.

:-)
Comment 17 caolanm 2002-06-14 14:14:20 UTC
Yes if you use a font for your bullets that will exist on a normal
windows machine the problem goes away because a missing starsymbol
font on the destination word using machine is the problem. The changes
for SRX643 try and map the starsymbol font to those normally installed
windows symbol fonts when saving to .doc and .wmf
Comment 18 michael.ruess 2002-11-07 13:06:17 UTC
Improved in OO 643.
Comment 19 osavill 2002-11-08 15:31:22 UTC
Hmmm ! not really !
Comment 20 michael.ruess 2002-11-15 08:41:43 UTC
you are partly right. The original problem, which was described in the
beginning of the issue, is improved with oo643.
The issue you described on 06/14/2002 may appear as related to, but it
isn't really. The Opensymbol font offers many more symbols than the
"Symbol" font does. So I don't think it is possible for Writer to
export these characters properly as "bulleted list" to Word. A new
outlined list with a kind of user-defined bullets has to be generated.

CMC, could you please give an additional comment on it? Thanks!
Comment 21 caolanm 2002-11-15 09:58:50 UTC
Whats the "not really" problem, that bulleted lists are exported as
"outline lists" ? They are outline lists, each of the 9/10 levels has
different amounts of indent, so thats the correct export. Or is one of
the bullet conversions not a good match ?
Comment 22 osavill 2002-11-15 11:18:16 UTC
The "not really" part is just that Bullet Point Lists simply do not
export to Word. End of story really :-) 

I assume that when Word makes a bullet point it "assumes" that the
font with that particular character will be available. I have never
seen Word either use another character or refuse to insert a bullet
because a particular font is not installed. This may be a crap way of
doing it but it may be necassary to consider hard coding this
character value on export to Word !!! At least the bullets would be
readable. Or maybe shipping the particular font with OOo (assuming it
doesn't conflict with DCMA, DRM, CBPTA, SSSCA, Palladium, Uncle Tom
Cobbley and all !!!)