Apache OpenOffice (AOO) Bugzilla – Issue 2522
NNTP Service for openoffice still needs historical posts
Last modified: 2003-12-06 14:52:32 UTC
The established NNTP Test service for openoffice on news.ooo is not running anymore.
Could you please provide further details? Our operations engineer has tested posting via email and via news reader. Both work with no problems. All the daemons are up and operational, and he is able to read news. Thank you Kat
Sorry, works fine again...
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I'll take a look at this asap.
I've submitted this issue to our operations group for troubleshooting (PCN7675).
Our operations group reports that they have found hardware problems with the server. They are working on it. I'll update as soon as I have new news.
Our operations group is moving to a new server, due to hardware problems with the old one. They have gotten a new server and loaded the software on it; they just need to add configurations and data.
Ok. The connection to news.openoffice.org is working now. Also the NNTP-Protocol on Port 119 (default) is working. Could you please explain, what the next steps are, I supscribed to serval newsgroups under the OOo.-Folder, but can't post anywhere? Hope this will be available soon ;-) Marco
Okay, we have the NNTP service running again. I subscribed myself to netbeans.nbannounce and successfully got messages. I also successfully submitted a post to netbeans.modules.collabnet.test, and it arrived in the test@collabnet.netbeans.org archive. Please test away! Thanks.
Oops, need to look in openoffice. I can subscribe to newsgroups (say ooo.test.announce, ooo.test.users, and ooo.allbugs), but they're empty so far. I'll update as soon as I have new news.
I can subscribe to all groups, but when I send messages (from: marco@by-night.ch) they aren't shown up in the appropriate groups and I did not get any response (error message or whatever). Can you please check it again? Did you test this internal/external?
We now have the NNTP server up and accepting posts and displaying new newspostings. We are still working on getting historical news items reflected on the server. Please test.
New internal issue number (PCN7547).
Stefan- have you taken a look at the NNTP server? We'd love to hear how it's working for you.
btw: for me, this works fine at the moment. all postings where listed here, timon reported, that he received the messages from the group ooo.lang.discuss_de thanks for the support!
Thanks Marco! That's good to hear. We're still working on getting the historical posts up there. The operations person and the developer are planning to get together tomorrow.
Service is up and running. Marco, thanks for testing.
We need to get a different developer to help us with this due to resource constraints. I'll have more details tomorrow after I bring this up with the appropriate engineering managers.
We've got the technical details all ready. We're just now verifying the plan with Eric Renaud et al.
We've cleared all the details. I've turned over all of our requests to the operations group and requested a time-frame.
To document the details: We will have initially max. 500 articles per newsgroup. Expiration will cut down the number to 500 articles on a regular basis.
Our operations person has been (slowly) working on this, with help from our instantiations engineer. I am still pinging him for updates, and he did provide several status updates today.
The last update I got from our operations engineer was last week, in which he reported that he was still uploading history files. I pinged him again today.
Messages injected today (5/8) as historical data have the current date - not the original - and are therefor useless. Not to speak about the annoyance of #4644 for list subscribers.
Hi Stefan- I have a question for you. My perception was that the reason for the historical messages was so that new subscribers to the newsgroup could peruse recent history, not for archival purposes (as messages older than 500 messages ago get expired anyway). Why, then, does the absence of date information on the messages make them useless? I do not believe that there is a way to "convince" a news server that messages just delivered to it have, in fact, older dates on them.
From my point of view reposting with current date is forgery of history. I would prefer no old postings over reposting with wrong date. That's not absence but wrong date info. I know that there is a way to repost articles with old dates. Point your favorite news reader to ooo.test.news and have fun :-) Believe me, I was at home - spending a nice weekend. The tricky part may be to convince the server to accept very old articles (> X days). Usually there is an option for that. How to proceed? Remove all articles and let the time work for you... I'm not sure that you would like to invest time in the "correct" reposting. But may be you would like to convince me from the opposite...
Thanks for the update, Stefan. I've submitted this info to our engineers and will update you when I hear what they think.
This is still under investigation by our engineers, their current status on this is that this is not supported and that won't be a painless way to support old dates without getting into NNTP server internals.
A solution for migrating historical posts has not yet been formulated.
Still awaiting development of a solution for moving historical posts.
A script option for reflecting historical posts on the server is still being investigated.
A script is still being investigated by our engineers. I will update the issue further when there is new information to report or at least once a week. Please let me know if there are any objections.
Progress is being made on the script. Messages are able to be transferred with dates preserved. Testing to continue next week.
The script remains in testing to assure all requirements are being met. If things proceed as planned, we hope to be able to transfer the historical posts in the coming week. I will keep you updated on the situation.
Further work is required on this issue. There are aspects of behavior on the production server that have been called into question.
This has been assigned to an engineer to address the questional aspects of its behavior.
The issues with the scropt have been addresed, and the functionality is being incorporated into SC to make this process more fluid in the future.
adding david boswell to cc list
queried the engineer on this today. I will respond back with an update when I get one. It seems as if we are very close and just need some final confirmations on this prior to getting it resolved.
Brian, can we close this? louis
This issue is currently scheduled to be looked at by an engineer when work on our 2.5 release has been completed. We are aware that it is not functioning, however we won't have any updates until that work begins. If this need to be a higher priority please let us know.
Please ignore the last entry from me, it was meant for another issue.
Yes, we can close this if and only if, we open another issue to complete the job here. This ticket has changed from nntp not working to nntp historical posts needed. Although they go hand in hand, it would be better to track them as seperate issues as we do not have a convenient tool to re-post the old emails to nntp. So, closing this issue. Opened issue 8838 to follow the new issue of accurately posting historical nntp messages.
As agreed by Louis I will close these resolved fixed support-owned issues now. If you have trouble with that, please re-open the issue.